Krieg in der Ukraine

Ein Siegesplan ohne Chance auf Umsetzung.

https://www.rnd.de/politik/...setzung-CFRSUGGXQZE4NCQDPV3IQXATH4.html  

Ukrainian MPs on Zelensky's victory plan — 'Great agenda' but practical steps unclear

Ukrainian lawmakers voiced their first reactions to President Volodymyr Zelensky's presentation of Ukraine's victory plan to parliament on Oct. 16, praising the overall agenda but calling out the supposed lack of practical steps.

Some opposition lawmakers criticized it for being too vague and relying too much on international partners while omitting domestic issues, such as pro-democratic and anti-graft reforms that they say are key to Ukraine’s success and important in achieving NATO membership.

The victory plan includes five points: an invitation to join NATO, a defense aspect, a non-nuclear deterrence against Russian aggression, an economic aspect, and a post-war security architecture. Three addenda remained classified but have been shared with Western partners.

Zelensky pitched the plan to the leaders of the U.S., the U.K., Germany, France, and Italy in an effort to drum up support before the uncertain U.S. presidential elections. The proposal has been kept mostly secret from the public until now.

Roman Lozynskyi, a lawmaker formerly from the opposition Holos (Voice) party, wrote on Facebook that the plan has a "great agenda," but the actual steps to achieve them remain unclear.

"On one hand, the victory plan sounds like a fantasy. On the other hand, so did the Patriots, Storm Shadow, the F-16s, sinking a chunk of the (Russian) Black Sea Fleet, and controlling part of Kursk Oblast."

Lozynskyi stressed that everything now rests "on the decisions of partners and the success of our diplomacy" as well as on the unity among the Ukrainian leadership and the opposition.

n presenting the plan to parliament, Zelensky said it is “a plan to strengthen our state and our position. To be strong enough to end the war. To make sure that Ukraine has all its muscles.”

"This plan can be implemented. It depends on our partners. I emphasize: on partners. It definitely does not depend on Russia," Zelensky said.

Lozynskyi also said that Zelensky did not explain, however, how he plans to implement the plan’s various points, adding that it may not be wise to make these steps public.

Yaroslav Yurchyshyn from the Holos party highlighted that the victory plan has been agreed upon with the Ukrainian military command and is being coordinated with Western partners.

“I have no doubt that many people have ideas and comments on what and how to improve it. However, for me… the best criticism is action.”

Oleksii Honcharenko, a lawmaker from the opposition European Solidarity party led by former president Petro Poroshenko, criticized the plan for supposedly relying too much on outside assistance without requiring steps from the Ukrainian leadership.

"Where is the clause on the fight against corruption, on strengthening our democratic institutions?" Hocharenko wrote on Telegram.

The lawmaker described the plan as "empty words" that are "removed from reality."

Honcharenko's party colleague, Iryna Herashchenko, praised the plan's general goals but also criticized its focus on international support, noting that the word "partners" has been used more often than "Ukraine" and "Russia."

She also pointed out the absence of "homework" Ukraine needs to do to achieve these goals, such as anti-corruption reforms that are a necessary step for NATO membership.

"I wonder why the president has come to parliament now? For me, this is a signal of the seriousness of the situation at the front, in the economy, of the shift on the global stage," the lawmaker said.

"The return of the borders of 1991... is no longer heard... (but) the fact that certain territories may have to be liberated through political, diplomatic measures was also not heard."

A third European Solidarity lawmaker, Mykola Kniazhytskyi, presented a less scathing commentary.

“The most important thing (Zelensky) said was… that Ukrainian troops could replace, in particular, American troops in Europe, partners' troops, because they have experience," the lawmaker told the Kyiv Independent.

According to Kniazhytskyi, the presentation of Zelensky's victory plan may play a role in the upcoming U.S. election.

“The themes voiced by President Zelensky will obviously be used by Democrats in the presidential campaign. It will be difficult for the Republicans to object to them... That is, it can be used by both parties in the U.S,” Kniazhytskyi said.

“If this plan is agreed with Western allies, I'm (fully in support of the plan). If they are not ready for it, and he is only talking about it for the sake of PR, then it will be a big disappointment.”

Unlike some opposition lawmakers, the parliamentary leader of Zelensky's Servant of the People party praised the plan as a "very detailed document" offering Kyiv's partners a "strategy of mutual reinforcement."

"Without our victory, without an honest and fair peace for Ukraine, the world will not be able to feel safe," David Arakhamia said on Telegram.

"But a strong, independent, and European Ukraine will be able to contribute to the collective security of the entire continent," Arakhamia commented, highlighting Kyiv's role in the plan.

The top lawmaker from Zelensky's party also revealed that after the presentation, the president held a meeting with parliamentary leaders. Arakhamia told the Kyiv Independent on Oct. 15 that the classified parts of the plan would be shared only with the parliamentary leadership.

As Ukrainian lawmakers react to the victory plan, Western partners have remained mostly tight-lipped. The U.S. State Department said diplomatically that the proposal includes "a number of productive steps," though some partners were reportedly "unimpressed" with the plan.

Several Western officials believe it leans too heavily on additional arms supplies and on lifting restrictions on their use and does not bring many new ideas to the table, the Wall Street Journal reported in September.

https://kyivindependent.com/...at-agenda-but-practical-steps-unclear/
 

 

Was halten die davon?  

 

ständig englische Texte einzustellen, der Link genügt.
Kann anscheinend nur russische.  

https://www.t-online.de/nachrichten/ukraine/...nntnis-ist-bitter.html

Die Spannung war groß. Der ukrainische Präsident Wolodymyr Selenskyj hat am Mittwoch seinen "Siegesplan" vorgestellt. Endlich. Seit über einem Monat rätseln internationale Beobachter darüber, wie die Ukraine den Krieg mit Russland beenden oder gar gewinnen will. Immerhin ist die Lage zumindest im Osten der Ukraine für die Verteidiger weiterhin dramatisch schlecht. Aber Selenskyj hatte seine Ideen bereits US-Präsident Joe Biden vorgestellt, er sprach mit Bundeskanzler Olaf Scholz, dem französischen Präsidenten Emmanuel Macron – und sogar mit dem republikanischen Präsidentschaftskandidaten Donald Trump.

Gemessen an diesen illustren und vor allem machtvollen Gesprächspartnern ist das Ergebnis des nun öffentlich gemachten Plans eher ernüchternd. Doch das war eigentlich nicht anders zu erwarten. Denn ob die Ukraine gestärkt in Verhandlungen mit Wladimir Putin gehen kann, liegt vor allem in den Händen des Westens. Und an dieser politischen Front sieht es für Kiew aktuell eher düster aus.

usw.

Putin sollte sich das mal anschauen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hH-K7X5n-vM
 

Putins neuer Freund Kim will auch in der Ukaine Soldaten opfern.

Nur sind 18 von denen abgehauen und werden bereits verfolgt.

Es ist unglaublich was das für Verbrecher sind, Menschenhandel im großen Stil mit anschließender Tötung in der Ukraine.

Nordkoreanische Soldaten desertieren offenbar im Ukraine-Krieg (fr.de)

 

wäre für alle 00:30:08:09 die beste Lösung! ;-)  

 

durch das Forum.  

für witzig hält, mit dem muss was nicht stimmen.
Ist es der Intellekt, fehlende Bildung, schlimme Kindheit, Vater Trinker ich weiß es echt nicht.    

 

früher hat man das doch immer als Bluff empfunden. Warum sollen die Vorstellungen, dass die Schläge aus USA z.B. kommen, ernst genommen werden?

Seit beginn dieses Krieges bemüht sich mindestens USA den 3. Weltkrieg zu vermeiden.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41vuc6illuQ
https://orf.at/stories/3252869/
https://www.bpb.de/themen/deutschlandarchiv/.../schon-im-3-weltkrieg/

das ist auch zu empfehlen:

https://www.diplomatic-council.org/index.php/de/node/986  

German fighter jets scrambled due to Russian spy plane over Baltic Sea

Germany's Eurofighter Typhoon aircraft were scrambled due to a flight of a Russian Il-20 reconnaissance plane over the international waters of the Baltic Sea, the German Air Force said on Oct. 16.

Such incidents are a common occurrence in the region, as Russia is suspected of using the aircraft to spy on the alliance's positions.

The Russian aircraft, flying with switched-off communications and without a flight plan, reportedly ended up in an area between the German town of Rugen and the Danish town of Bornholm.

In response, two Eurofighter jets took off from the Rostock-Laage airfield in northeastern Germany to "establish a visual contact," Deutsche Welle reported. The German jets "escorted the Russian reconnaissance aircraft over the Baltic Sea," the German Air Force said.

Six other Russian aircraft were intercepted by NATO jets in a span of two days in late September. German and Swedish fighters were scrambled in August to intercept another Il-20 plane.

Over the past two years, allied plans were reportedly lifted on average every three to four weeks to intercept Russian aircraft, Deutsche Welle wrote.

https://kyivindependent.com/german-jets-baltic-sea/  

Ukraine war latest: US announces $425 million in security aid for Ukraine, Zelensky says package includes long-range weapons

Key developments on Oct. 16:

US announces $425 million in security aid for Ukraine, Zelensky says package includes long-range weapons
Zelensky unveils Ukraine's victory plan, says it's doable but 'depends on our partners'
Australia to give Ukraine almost 50 US-made Abrams tanks
Ukraine reportedly reclaims territory in north of Kharkiv Oblast, almost entire Russian regiment destroyed
U.S. President Joe Biden announced $425 million in new security assistance for Ukraine during a phone call with President Volodymyr Zelensky on Oct. 16.

Biden and Zelensky spoke on the phone after the U.S. president canceled foreign trips to handle the consequences of repeated hurricanes at home.

The new package will consist of "additional air defense capability, air-to-ground munitions, armored vehicles, and critical munitions to meet Ukraine's urgent needs," the White House said in a statement.

In the upcoming months, the U.S. will also provide Ukraine with "a range of additional capabilities, including hundreds of air defense interceptors, dozens of tactical air defense systems, additional artillery systems, significant quantities of ammunition, hundreds of armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles, and thousands of additional armored vehicles," the White House said.

In a post on X, Zelensky thanked the U.S. for the new package and said that it also includes "long-range weapons." He did not specify which kind of weapons and did not mention the ongoing debate over allowing Western weapons to be used for long-range strikes into Russia.

Biden and Zelensky also discussed the victory plan, which was presented to individual leaders, including Biden, behind closed doors in September but made public earlier on Oct. 16.

https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-war-latest-35/  

Würde ein 3. Weltkrieg der Ukraine helfen?  

der jetzt eine andere Taktik anwendet ;-)  

 

 

 

 

USA auch bei anderen Konflikten  handeln!
Mir würde da spontan was einfallen! ;-))

https://www.spiegel.de/ausland/...baf7815-2396-4e82-8dac-8bea6a15b69f  

Schaun mer mal, dann sehn mer scho!

https://www.spiegel.de/ausland/...dicbo=v2-61AaxZp#ref=recom-outbrain