und du weißt ja, der Franzose an sich..

Nee, ernsthaft. Vond er Plattform gefällt es mir bei PP am besten..werde ich auch bleiben. Zumal ohne die Amis das Spiel wesentlich tighter geworden ist...was aber auch zur Vorsicht mahnt!

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Freizeit dabei als jetzt ;-)

Party gibts erst morgen, muss morgen früh noch nem Kumpel beim Umzug helfen *juhuu*...

Mach mich aber mal weg jetzt, ciao  

er zieht nach Hamburg rein..was meinste wo wir zum Weihnachtsmarkt aufschlagen werden dieses Jahr?!

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;-)  

Was machst du da, die Kissen runter tragen? *lool*

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ich hab lieber ne Horde Franzmänner als nen Ami...*g*

Hast schon recht die Software ist am besten. Hab auch schon fast ein dutzend
getestet. mal schauen wie sich das entwickelt.

Ich glaub ich werd dann erstmal ein paar von den verbliebenen Amis auslachen...*g*
Soviel Spass muss sein.

 

also die Bierkisten ;-)

@Pate bist natürlich willkommen auch aufzuschlagen.

So, muss nu wirklich mal wech ;-)  

Perle grad eingetroffen und ich werd mich nun mal an die Kochstelle begeben und uns was zaubern. Mal schauen was heute bei rum kommt..gestern war es sehr lecker - auch wenn die Eintracht verloren hat :-(

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Hamburg City! Wann macht der Weihnachtsmarkt auf?:-)  

essen is ne gute Idee! Ich werd mir mal schnell nen Whooper "machen"...  

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Hold 'Em, Fold 'Em, Cheat 'EmTricks, scams, and crimes for winning at online poker.

By Jonathan M. Katz

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If you could fire a six-shooter over the Internet, Greg "Fossilman" Raymer might have been a dead man. Two years ago, the future World Series of Poker champion was playing a Hold 'Em variation called Omaha Hi-Lo online. Facing two players, one with few chips who appeared to be betting too strongly, Raymer sensed weakness. He raised to draw in that dead-money player, hoping to scare off the potential threat from the player in the middle. But the middle player didn't back down. Raymer won a huge pot.

As the middle player saw his virtual chips (and real dollars) slide away, he snapped: Raymer and the weak player, he shouted over the site's instant messenger, were colluding against him. In another era, the middle player might have thrown the table, pulled a gun, and cleared the saloon. Instead he filed a complaint with PokerStars.com.

"I wasn't colluding with [the weak player]. I was taking advantage of his" low chip count, Raymer, 40, said he told the site. "That's not illegal."

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t's not, but his accuser's suspicion wasn't unusual either. In an anonymous world where everyone is after your money, and where lying and preying on the weak are encouraged, it's easy to get paranoid that others are cheating. And in fact, others are cheating—or trying to. The same qualities that have made the rest of the Internet a wonderland for deviants, thieves, and nihilists of all stripes—near-perfect anonymity, the ease of taking on multiple personas—encourage behavior most would be too scared to try at a poker game on the Vegas strip. As the Web poker fad has exploded ($178,873,992 was up for grabs in online tournaments on Sunday alone, according to PokerPulse.com) the possibilities for cheating have grown. In 1999, for example, a flawed shuffling algorithm at PlanetPoker.com leaked out, allowing players who'd studied it to win at will. Rumors about players, hackers, and even the sites themselves screwing the system are rampant on discussion boards like rec.gambling.poker.

Here's what they're talking about:

Collusion. This is the most common form of cheating, in which several players at the same table (or one player using multiple computers) share information. Raymer was accused of "foot-sawing," where a weak-handed player helps out a strong-handed co-conspirator by staying in the game and raising to convince others to bet more.

But there's a catch. Good colluders have to be able to play their combined hands well, and they have to win enough for it to be worthwhile after dividing their money throughout the group. Experts say you're more likely to find collusion in lower-money games with empty seats—places where cheaters can make up a larger percentage of the table and are less likely to face experts. As a result, their takes are bound to be smaller. So despite the multiple cases each day on PokerStars, most colluders lose money, said the site's poker room manager, Lee Jones.

Software cheats. The marketers of "Cheat On Poker v.1.2" promised "special tracking software that helps you to track the hand of every opponent at your e-poker table!" In the interest of journalism—and since none of my friends would collude with me—this was the method I chose to test.

Guess who got cheated. For $29.95, I got an unwieldy odds calculator bundled with useless shareware. My attempts to use it in fake-money games got me closer to arthritis than a seat on the World Poker Tour. It took so long to log my hand, community cards, and opponents' possible cards that I nearly missed two betting turns. If tricking your opponents into believing you're fading in and out of a coma constitutes an advantage, it was lost on the half-dozen anonyms siphoning off my fake money.

Some players allege there are software hacks that allow you to see your opponent's cards. But that's almost certainly a myth. "If it were really possible, online poker wouldn't last very much longer," said Matthew Hilger, a poker writer who runs the magazine site InternetTexasHoldEm.com.

Bots. For those too stupid or busy to cheat in person, there are programs that play for you. Sometimes bots win. But today's computers are better at games like chess, where there's perfect information, than at sorting through the lies, feints, and uncertainties of poker. Besides, security monitors often pick up their scent, especially when they spot one player going 36 hours straight without a bathroom break.

Cutting the cord. This is the digital equivalent of pretending to pass out on the table: Some players disconnect their Internet connections upon realizing their cards won't hold up, hoping the house will let them keep their wager. Others make a large raise, wait for a call, and then disconnect, hoping to claim a portion of the pot on protest later on.

The problem with potential scams is that the house is always watching. While there are no video cameras or bouncers standing by, sites have monitoring tactics casinos only dream about. ParadisePoker.com tracks IP addresses, surveys for suspicious betting, and automatically reports questionable moves to its staff, said spokesman Ismail Vali-Tepper. Security can call up histories of every card someone has played to look for behavior patterns or study players who often sit together at the same tables. Offenders' accounts are closed and their addresses banned.

Raymer, who before turning pro in 2004 was a patent attorney, suggested sites anticipate future schemes by monitoring players' variance—a statistical measure of how far a player is from his or her expected win within a given hour. A high variance means taking on a lot of risk in exchange for winning more pots, which is what the pros do. But players who incur little risk while winning lots of hands are probably cheating, he said.

Frustrated by their own losses, some players throw the charge of cheating back at the house, alleging that the sites themselves use bots and rig games to heighten excitement. Some accuse them of hiring ringers who fleece novice players. Poker forums are filled with tales of frequent "bad beats"—hands lost despite holding a full house or better—and dramatic defeats on the last community card.

Site operators are livid at the suggestion. "The security and integrity of the game and the cards we deal is our entire business," says PokerStars' Jones. ParadisePoker advertises that its shuffling mechanism is audited by PriceWaterhouseCoopers. Experts point out that the rate of play in online poker allows players to see more combinations of cards than they would in a real game, raising the likelihood of "bad beats." Besides, the sites are printing money these days. Why would they throw away a good thing for a little extra cash?

Quelle: http://www.slate.com/id/2112213/

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Bier, das nicht getrunken wird, hat seinen Beruf verfehlt..

 

wegen cheating etc..


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Bier, das nicht getrunken wird, hat seinen Beruf verfehlt..  

Cheats downloaden kann?
Ich werde mal den Sohn meines Kumpels dransetzen ,der Downloadspezialist.  

man kommt sich manchmal schon echt verarscht vor aber das die Anbieter bescheissen
glaub ich auch nicht. Verdienen doch auch so genug Geld!

Was für Vorteile hätte die?

Und das jemand die Software häckt glaub ich auch nicht. Hab auch schon mal
mit nem Sniffer geschaut:-) aber keine Chance...

Und Absprache funktioniert auch nur sehr begrenzt. Außerdem checkt das der Anbieter.
Ich konnte z.B. nicht mit nem Kumpel mehr zusammen zocken.
saßen wohl zu oft am selben Tisch.
 

etwas höher drehst ,gibt es höhere Pots und somit mehr Kohle.  

aber der Wunschtraum wäre natürlich die Karten der anderen zu sehen *ggg*

@pAte
ich glaube schon, dass da an manchen Tischen Collusions sind bei Cashgames. Aber tangiert mich nicht, da ich Tische wechsle wenn es nicht läuft und mir auch nur annähernd der Verdacht kommt.


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Bier, das nicht getrunken wird, hat seinen Beruf verfehlt..  

spiel ja keine cash games...:-)
die Leute müssen dann aber viele ID's haben. denn 3,4 mal am selben Tisch
gezockt schon blockt das der Anbieter.

@satyr höhere Pots = mehr Kohle? wieso verdient da der Anbieter?  

einbehält wird übrigen links neben dem Dealer angezeigt-
@ Sports da solls einen Cheat geben um die Karten der Anderen zu
sehen.  

für die Anbieter sagt..

@satyr
Wenn ich diesen Cheat hätte würde ich morgen meine Koffer packen und mich mit nem Laptop auf ne Insel abmachen ;-)
Aber ich glaube nicht daran.

Aber danjelshake könnet ja mal versuchen einen zu schreiben. Der Chat läuft ja immerhin auch noch *g*


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Bier, das nicht getrunken wird, hat seinen Beruf verfehlt..  

 

ausgerechnet heute fehlen uns erstmals ein paar Leute. Hätte heute auch mal wieder Zeit gehabt..naja.

Können ja aber auch nochmal einen Online-Private Table aufmachen und mit ein paar Leuten von hier mit Playmoney zocken. Vielleicht findet sich ja mal ein Termin ;-)


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Bier, das nicht getrunken wird, hat seinen Beruf verfehlt..  

Nur sie zu finden ist nicht einfach denn keiner wirds sie so einfach
ins Netz stellen.
 

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Bier, das nicht getrunken wird, hat seinen Beruf verfehlt..  

wer riskiert schon seine Lizenz zum Geld drucken?:-)

@sports ich wäre heut dabei. wären wir schon zwei...:-)
können wir machen. obwohl wollte eigentlich heute nach FRankfurt machen.
Hab aber H. noch nicht erreicht...  

wäre H. auch dabei?

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Bier, das nicht getrunken wird, hat seinen Beruf verfehlt..