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356 Postings, 5934 Tage uncle_joeHier

 
  
    #2476
21.10.08 22:46

647 Postings, 6158 Tage xxxMMxxxBayern 3:0?

 
  
    #2477
6
21.10.08 22:47
Dann is ja Crises over! Charts dazu? Wobei SK (9032,xx) nahe am TT (9074,xx). Gerade auch viele earnings...

Schönen Abend - MM
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356 Postings, 5934 Tage uncle_joeTV

 
  
    #2478
21.10.08 22:49
Phoenix-Rundeauch interessant.  

2598 Postings, 6711 Tage C_Profitdas wars dann mit 9000

 
  
    #2479
21.10.08 22:50
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647 Postings, 6158 Tage xxxMMxxxups TT im DJ natürlich 9004,xx :-)

 
  
    #2480
21.10.08 22:52

1000 Postings, 6533 Tage nedel@ xxxMMxxx

 
  
    #2481
3
21.10.08 22:53
Der Sieg ist noch nicht eingepreist, mal bis morgen warten  
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2225 Postings, 6025 Tage aliasfelli808Future Update 1

 
  
    #2482
4
21.10.08 22:55
Sehr dick im Minus und volatil!

Dow Future 8970
Nasdaq  Future 1272
S&P Future 951
DBK 4688

3767 Postings, 6641 Tage K.PlatteStabilisierung?

 
  
    #2483
3
21.10.08 23:00

647 Postings, 6158 Tage xxxMMxxx@nedel

 
  
    #2484
3
21.10.08 23:02
klarer ausbruch nach bodenbildung  ;-)
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2225 Postings, 6025 Tage aliasfelli808China

 
  
    #2485
2
21.10.08 23:04
Der Hangseng war heute schon mir positiven Vorgaben aus Amerika nicht wirklich stabil, Nikkei, sollala...Mal sehen ...Aber ich lege mich nicht fest das wir morgen mit dickem Minus starten, würde mich nicht wundern wenn die VW wieder 20% im Plus ist....Who knows...

Nebenbei ich schau gerade Jay Leno, seine Witze über die Amerikanische Wirtschaft sind göttlich! Wie er über Bush immer herzieht...lol

2225 Postings, 6025 Tage aliasfelli808Jay Lenno

 
  
    #2486
21.10.08 23:08
So geil:

60.000 Babys krank wegen verseuchter Milch. Wisst ihr wie ernst es ist, die mussten sogar ihre Schuhfirmen zu machen ! So geiiiil

356 Postings, 5934 Tage uncle_joeWo

 
  
    #2487
21.10.08 23:12
gibts denn den Jay Leno?  

2225 Postings, 6025 Tage aliasfelli808CNBC :)

 
  
    #2488
21.10.08 23:19
Danach Conan OBrien...Noch besser als Jay...:)

151 Postings, 5938 Tage Riddler16new york city

 
  
    #2489
1
21.10.08 23:19

151 Postings, 5938 Tage Riddler16sorry, dachte felli wär schon in NY

 
  
    #2490
21.10.08 23:20

647 Postings, 6158 Tage xxxMMxxxDow "eingefroren" (22:07Uhr), aber

 
  
    #2491
21.10.08 23:31
sonst grün aktuell.
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356 Postings, 5934 Tage uncle_joeNTV

 
  
    #2492
1
21.10.08 23:58
Duell.
Wansleben ist echt eine peinliche Sprechblasenmaschine,Mann o Mann ....  

1496 Postings, 7418 Tage Beasthunterich liebe es

 
  
    #2493
1
22.10.08 00:11

2225 Postings, 6025 Tage aliasfelli808Next in the Financial Crisis: Possible Criminal Ch

 
  
    #2494
22.10.08 01:53
Next in the Financial Crisis: Possible Criminal Charges
POSTED BY:Albert Bozzo
TOPICS:Banking
SECTORS:Financial Services | Banks
COMPANIES:Bear Stearns Companies Inc | Lehman Brothers Fin SA
By Albert Bozzo Senior Features Editor | 21 Oct 2008 | 06:27 PM ET Text Size
Investors and taxpayers angry about the government bailout of seemingly mismanaged financial firms can probably count on a wave of criminal indictments in the months ahead, say white collar crime experts.

“I think we're going to see some ‘perp’ walks,” says Columbia Law School Professor John Coffee, referring to the law enforcement practice of having the accused appear in public wearing handcuffs.


“I think its coming” says securities lawyer Jacob Zamansky, predicting the “outcry for culprits and scapegoats” will be met.

Zamansky, Coffee and others say the government is now busy investigating likely wrongdoing that took place at dozens of firms and that it is just a matter of time before it yields results. But crisis management is taking precedence.

“The government and the private sector are focused on bailing out the ship right now, and rightly so," says former SEC enforcement official Marvin G. Pickholz, now a partner at the New York law firm Duane Morris.

“I think most resources are being channeled toward solving the current crisis,” adds Harvey Pitt, who chaired the SEC during the government’s crackdown on accounting fraud at the beginning of the decade. "I think it will be months before any prosecutions occur, if at all."

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Pickholz adds that election year considerations may also be slowing down the process. US attorneys—who are political appointees—may be unwilling or reluctant to open a case without knowing who’ll be the next president and whether they’ll still be in their jobs.

Recent developments, however, show momentum is building. The government recently issued subpoenaes to a dozen executives at Lehman Brothers, which CNBC learned, included CEO Richard Fuld, two CFOS and a COO.

As CNBC first reported Sept. 24, multiple federal investigations at Lehman and at least 25 other firms are focusing primarily on asset values—that is, whether companies like Lehman were properly valuing things like mortgage-backed securities on their books, as well as the securities they sold to the public.


Dick Fuld
Thus far, there have been only two high-profile indictments. In June, two former hedge fund managers at Bear Stearns were charged with essentially concealing problems that eventually led to the collapse of the funds.

Experts say acts of concealment and/or misrepresentation will no doubt be an area of investigation and potential prosecution for authorities.

Zamansky, who’s representing investors in the Bear Stearns hedge fund case, also sees possible wrongdoing in the way firms were marking assets and brokers pushing bank stocks with diminished prospects and quickly plummeted in value.

The government is going to use its “classic inventory of white collar weapons,” says Coffee, citing securities fraud, mail fraud and racketeering laws.

In some cases, prosecutors will look to make the case that there was a “concerted effort by these firms to mislead the public,” says Zamansky, which is essentially what executives at WorldCom, Enron, Adelphia and others did less than a decade ago.



Experts say prosecutors will comb through email records, looking for inconsistencies between private and public statements, to show that people acted willfully.

“You have CEOS who had conferences with securities analysts and others,” says Coffee, adding that there are transcripts to such events.

Though most expect a wave of indictments, there’s considerable debate about whether any big names will be snared, as was the case with WorldCom founder Bernie Ebbers and Enron CEOs Jeffrey Skilling and Kenneth Lay, all of whom were convicted, or savings-and loan kingpins such as Charles kearing two decades ago.

Pickholz and Zamansky expect CEOs to fall. “I would think so,” says Pickholz, citing Congress’ developing skepticism about top executives not knowing what was going on.

Coffee isn’t so sure. He says though “prosecutors don’t like to just focus on the little guy,” some of the current big name CEOS were “brought in as reformers” and “will portray themselves as guys who came in to clean up the mess.”

Nell Minnow, founder of the Corporate Library, which focuses on corporate governance and CEO pay, is altogether skeptical.


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"In other cases, it was clear from the beginning people had broken the law,” says Minow. “I don’t see executives going to jail over this. Most of what they did is perfectly legal. These people were clever enough to get the loopholes they wanted.”

There's already been plenty of circumstances to beg the question effective legislation, regulation and oversight during a one-of-a-kind lending boom, which has resulted in extraordinary government involvement in the private sector -- after the fact.

Minow says that's added insult to injury for both investors and taxpayers. "The sense of pervasive unfairness is greater in this scandal than any other," she says.

13154 Postings, 6147 Tage orient expressmoin moin hoffe heute

 
  
    #2495
3
22.10.08 07:00
endlich den durchbruch, bei 4600  zu sehen ,zumindest in den ersten zwei handelsstunden.Die amis stehen denke ich kurz vor dem nächsten abverkauf, der dow kommt einfach nicht vom fleck .Es liegt also auf der hand was als nächstes passiert, wie gesagt staatlich konrolliertes luftablassen in den us indizes.....wünsche allen viel erfolg        P.s arbeitet euch lieber von oben nach unten mit weiten shorts vor,dat mit calls ist sehr unsicher im moment wir fallen noch bis locker mitte 2009 und die stimmung wird erst noch anfangen schlecht zum werden .Ist nur meine meinung,die hat mich wenn ich ehrlich bin noch nie im stich gelassen  

13154 Postings, 6147 Tage orient expressmuss mich korrigieren

 
  
    #2496
1
22.10.08 07:08
die 4600 wird nicht reichen da der euro sehr stark gefallen ist, denke 4500 ist machbar wenn vw mitspielt und weiter luft ablässt.  

3309 Postings, 6072 Tage kirmet24der vw effekt ist nicht so gewaltig :D

 
  
    #2497
22.10.08 07:17
und ein fallender Euro ist aber eigentlich positiv für die Börse.
Warten wir mal ab was kommt, so ohne wichtige Zahlen sind wir ja eh ein bisschen Ziellos heute.
Prinzipiell würde ich aber sagen das wir im Vergleich zu den USA schon relativ tief gefallen sind.  

1433 Postings, 6093 Tage powermanDie Korrelation zum EUR/JPY

 
  
    #2498
3
22.10.08 07:28
ist stärker. Aber auch der Yen ist extrem gefallen, d. h. es müsste auch im Dax heute ordentlich nach unten gehen.

Der Aufwärtstrend seit Tiefstand 4300 (am 10.10) verläuft bei 4676, ich denke der wird gebrochen. Nächste Unterstützung bei 4580.

...viel Glück @all
 
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3469 Postings, 6440 Tage KnitzebreiWitzig: FAZ spricht heute früh von

 
  
    #2499
4
22.10.08 07:40
einer Stabilisierung der Aktienmärkte...

Die Druckerschwärze ist noch nicht trocken, da macht der Nikkei MINUS 6 % !
:)

611 Postings, 5970 Tage gruenkohlmoin knitze

 
  
    #2500
22.10.08 07:48
wo kann man den nikkei einsehen?
gruss aus ostfriesland.

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