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11671 Postings, 6482 Tage 1ALPHAAuch für BCL

 
  
    #17851
1
10.12.13 08:49
Interessierte kommen spannende Monate durch die Neubesetzung der US FED.
Gerade in den ersten Wochen nach Amtsübernahme wird "the new leader of the FED" - die neue FED Führerin - besonders beobachtet und ihre Aussagen werden intensiv analysiert, denn es handelt sich mit  J.Yellen zum ersten Mal in der am 23.Dez.2013 den 100. Jahrestag gedenkenden FED Übernahme durch eine kleine Gruppe von Privaten, um eine Frau.

Aussagen über QE, tapering, Inflation, Arbeitslosigkeit, staatl. Beschäftigungsprogramme, Steuern,... sind deshalb auch von BCL Interessierten zu beobachten wegen des Einflußes auf Borsen, Rohstoffe und damit den BCL Kurs.

Aber: es ist auch zu berücksichtigen, daß die Aussagen von Yellen "politisch" gemeint sein können und deshalb auf den Wahrheitsgehalt überprüft werden müßen.

Es ist eben so, daß die hinter der neuen FED-Führung stehenden Insider zwar Bescheid wissen, aber die einfachen Anleger eben nicht.

Da das - kurzfristig - zu heftigen Bewegungen an den Börsen führen könnte - mit entsprechenden Chancen und Risiken auch bei BCL Aktien - sollte klar sein.  

915 Postings, 6482 Tage Carlchen03# 17851

 
  
    #17852
10.12.13 10:28
1Alpha,

meinst du, dass das auf den BCL Kurs  -zumindest kurzfristig-  wirklich Auswirkungen haben wird???

Mit kurzfristig meine ich bis zu dem Punkt -Zeitpunkt-,  wo tatsächlich(!!!) Entscheidungen auf dem Tisch liegen und bekannt(!!!) gemacht werden (z.B. tatsächliche, kurzfristige Wiedereröffnung bzw Verkauf).

Mit Auswirkungen meine ich keine Kursschwankungen von 5, 10 oder 50 Cent.

"Richtige" Schwankungen, Ergebnisse im Kurs  wird es erst geben, wenn es tätsächliche, handfeste, positive Ergebnisse in PNG, Bougainville zwischen RT, BCL, Landowner, ABG etc  gibt und diese öffentlich sind.

Danach werden deine Gedanken letztendlich eine Rolle in der Höhe des Kurses mitentscheidend sein;
ob der Kurs bis 3, 5, 8  -oder bis 15?, 30?, 50?-  Euro steigt.

Allen noch ne schöne Woche
Carlchen
 

11671 Postings, 6482 Tage 1ALPHA#17852 Natürlich

 
  
    #17853
1
10.12.13 11:32
wäre die Meldung "Panguna beginnt mit dem Bergbaut" weit wichtiger, als das tapering des QE, da BCL außerordentlich günstige Förderkosten hätte und Preisschwankungen bei Rohstoffen für BCL weniger wichtig sind.
Aber wann die Meldung bzgl Öffnung kommt, kann ich nicht einschätzen. Die Handlungen der neuen FED Führung kommen aber schon in wenigen Wochen und werden - da Insider um die FED Eigentümer dieses Wissen vor dem Normalanleger haben - schon vorher die Börsen beeinflußen. Für Langfristanleger in BCL ist das allerdings unwichtig. Für Langfristanleger ist nur interessant, was die Menschen vor Ort entscheiden.
Für Kurzfristanleger, Trader und Anleger, die - wie ich - laufend Kleinpositionen zukaufen, wird es allerdings spannend, da gutes Timing mehr Stücke fürs gleiche Geld bedeutet.  

666 Postings, 5904 Tage havannaInteressante Entwicklung

 
  
    #17854
3
10.12.13 15:38
Somit dürfte auch Daveona sein Amt los sein, was ich in der
Zwischenzeit für eine positive Entwicklung halte!

10.12.2013
Source: PNG Attitude

Panguna mine landowners’ umbrella group splinters
by LEONARD FONG ROKA

All nine Panguna mine landowner executives in prayer before the meetingTHE PANGUNA MINE LANDOWNER groups have decided to dissolve their umbrella body, the Panguna Mine Affected Landowner Associations (PMALA), which covered nine landowners groups with Lawrence Daveona as chairman.
At a meeting last week co-chaired by Professor Ciaran O'Faircheallaigh, one the two AusAID funded consultants to the Autonomous Bougainville Government, and Raymond Masono, coordinator of the Panguna Mine Negotiation Committee for the ABG, it was obvious that landowners were disorganised and in conflict.
Thus PMALA was dissolved and the landowner groups are now independent entities. This means that, when it comes to consultations with BCL, time will be a factor constraining progress for tangible outcomes for Bougainville.
So it seems it will be a longer road to bring progress regarding the Panguna mine re-opening issues including compensation and development.
The main issue behind the dissolving of PMALA appeared to be that the umbrella body was seen to belittle the nine landowner groups and also that most groups did not share the same problems.
There is high probability that there is a communication gap between landowner groups and their own people and that there is a need for a change of attitude and character.
The landowner groups are now working with ABG towards sorting out these issues.

 

468 Postings, 4975 Tage macoubaChallenging

 
  
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11.12.13 00:18

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Challenging the Democratic Deficit: The Bougainville Truth Initiative
by ramunickel
PNGexposed  

Today the people of Bougainville are confronted with two decisions that will irreversibly determine the life that confronts future generations on the island. Bougainvilleans, who have sacrificed more than most for their young democracy, must choose whether they are to become an independent nation, or remain an autonomous region of PNG; and they must elect whether to welcome back Rio Tinto, to operate a mine whose scars are etched deep in the island’s lands and people.


The scars of the Panguna mine are etched deep in the land and people of Bougainville

The Autonomous Bougainville Government (ABG), according to its officials, has begun an information offensive designed to give choice on Bougainville meaning, in a region of the world where ‘choice’ has often proved a tragic façade designed to mask profoundly undemocratic machinations.


General Amirmachmud, nicknamed ‘The Bulldozer’, at a meeting on the West Papua referendum, July 1969

The proud and courageous people of West Papua, who have endured and resisted one of the most brutal and prolonged occupations of the 20th century, know this well. Their so called ‘act of free choice’, granting Indonesia sovereignty over a motherland it had no connection with, was anything but. ‘The act of free choice in West Irian [West Papua]’, wrote one US official, ‘is unfolding like a Greek tragedy, the conclusion preordained. The main protagonist, the Government of Indonesia, cannot and will not permit any resolution other than the continued inclusion of West Irian in Indonesia’.

Nevertheless, outright despotism required a veneer of democracy – accordingly a tragic spectacle was played out as 1025 West Papuan leaders, hand-picked by the Indonesian government, publicly elected, before complicit UN officials, to remain part of Indonesia. Reassuringly, Indonesia’s Foreign Minister told international audiences that West Papuans had been treated to ‘extensive consultation’.

The people of Bougainville also know how hollow choice can be. At the same time that Soeharto and his cut-throat Generals carefully stage managed a referendum over independence in West Papua, Australia stage managed its own democratic fraud – the opening of the Panguna copper and gold mine.


Rorovana women resist Rio Tinto bulldozers, August 1969

Although different governments, and different interests, both acted out of a common desire to ‘stabilise’ the region and commodify its rich natural bounty so that they could be auctioned off to international resource operators. And when the customary owners of these resources initiated epic struggles of resistance, these regional powers marshalled all the instruments of death modern industry can manufacture and hoisted them upon those largely unarmed people who dared to challenge an autocratic mandate.

In that context, PNG Exposed over the coming months will publish historical records long denied to Bougainville citizens, in order to increase the volume of independent information available to this fiercely independent island, as its people face historic choices. These records tell a history that began with a remarkable lie, whose sad progeny were a series of even more remarkable lies which culminated in a bloody war organised by the Australian and PNG governments in cooperation with Rio Tinto.

This grand swindle of a sovereign people and their resources began in the 1960s. Concerned citizens at home in Australia were told by the colonial administration that the indigenous peoples of Bougainville – who had valiantly helped Australian and US soldiers see off the Japanese onslaught – were being treated to a wealth of information on the mine and its impacts (see Appendix A). Fictions then flooded the emerging corridors of state-power in PNG, as Bougainville’s first great leaders were informed the mine would be nothing more than a discrete pit, tucked away in a forgotten jungle region of the Crown Prince Ranges. It would make their people rich, they were told, with very little environmental damage.

These were lies of course, necessary lies though, needed to erect the great facade of free choice behind which stands a hidden dictatorship administered by discrete corporate interests and allied state-powers; organisations who command vast masses of wealth, which itself is nothing more than the immense social labour of previous generations, washed of its exploitative origins, and used to begin the process anew.


The carefully orchestrated ‘consultation’ process in Buin.

While the actors and organisations may be different, the echo of these lies resonate today (see Appendix A). Like the colonial administration before it, the ABG attempts to quell rancour by assuring citizens that all stakeholders are being thoroughly consulted about the reopening of the Panguna mine. Indeed, we are told that landowners are happy to see a feared corporation return – who did so much to ravage the people when they dared defend their birth right – to consume what’s left of the rich ore deposit, which once made BCL the glimmering jewel in Rio Tinto’s crown.

Behind this new democratic façade lie preordained decisions made by government officials and their corporate benefactors. Earlier this year PNG Exposed published meeting minutes, where handpicked landowner leaders were informed by the ABG Mining Minister, ‘that there was no two ways about [it, the] Panguna mine [is] being opened in the not too distant future’. ABG’s President agreed, the mine ‘must be opened’, he said, ‘and there is an important need for a unified stand by the ABG and Panguna Landowners’.

But resistance to this historic decision, made quietly and discretely far away from public scrutiny, has emerged. The head of the Bougainville Independent Indigenous People’s Foundation, Bernadine Kama recently claimed: ‘I just cannot comprehend why we must continue to suffer at the hands of our leaders and our government, which has been negotiating to re-open the mine … Can we not be left alone to live our own lives in peace on our land?’


Francis Ona led a people’s revolution that aimed to end the despotism of capital and bring a new form of democracy

Kama’s words possess the simple elegance often witnessed in the speeches of another great Bougainvillean orator, Francis Ona, a man who led a people’s revolution, a revolution that aimed to end the despotism of capital, and bring a new form of democracy to Bougainville. It was a democracy where the people choose their future and how their resources will be used, rather than an air-brushed corporate elite who divide the global spoils with the aid and assistance of those mandated to represent the people, but who in the end represent money and inward looking political cabals far removed from the everyday miseries they generate.

The revolution should have been a great ray of hope to the people of Melanesia; but its message of sovereignty and justice was not allowed to circulate, a brutal military campaign and an indefensible blockade saw to that.

And just like in the colonial days, when missionaries would follow in the wake of brutal colonial massacres to convert those left after ‘pacification’, modern-day proselytisers holding the book of science, follow in the wake of war on Bougainville with apologetic myths that Francis Ona was no revolutionary, and that this was no revolution. He was we are told, a greedy man, after a ‘bigger slice of the pie’, others suggest he was confused independence fighter, a silly crank from the mountains who believed in spirits and hadn’t the nose for modernity.

The historical records reveal something different. They reveal a man of principle who had seen the despotism of capital creep into his very backyard, as a generation of leaders caroused with BCL and consumed scraps tossed to the landowners’ association and trust, while their people suffered. They reveal not only a man, but a woman, Perpetua Serero, sanctioned by the people to prosecute a very simple set of demands – environment, land, justice and equality – in an age where such simple demands are regarded as profane.


Ex-combatants attend a’ consultation meeting’

Of course, this narrative cannot be told today, it contains dangerous ideas. So it is denied, or worse yet, re-written to suit the interests of contemporary despots – who emerge from history dripping in blood – as they circle this so called ‘discrete little pit’, which would ‘harm nobody’.

However, PNG Exposed won’t retell the narrative. Instead it will publish the primary sources, let those who spoke, speak for themselves; and let the people of Bougainville give meaning to their own history, an innate right so often denied to the people of Melanesia. It is a complex history, full of imposition and resistance, underwritten by a hidden form of dictatorship that is epitomised not by a single despot but a social system organised around the demands of capital whose laws have nothing in common with basic values of humanity and justice. It is hidden dictatorship because even the fact of its existence cannot be acknowledged, for to acknowledge it would be to admit the obscenity of our age – democracy with no democracy.

Appendix A – The Lies Which Echo Today

Charles Barnes, Minister for Territories, 1969





John Momis, President of Bougainville, 2013

Interview: John Momis, President, Autonomous Bougainville Government

Business Advantage

The President of Bougainville, John Momis, wants work on restarting the giant Panguna gold and copper mine to begin later this year. In this exclusive interview with Business Advantage PNG, he outlines the steps now needed to restart operations.

Business Advantage PNG (BAPNG): Why do Bougainvilleans now support re-opening the mine?


John Monis is desperate to see Rio Tinto reopen the Panguna mine

John Momis (JM): The Panguna Mine was the primary source of the war, which reduced Bougainville to basics. We need to deal with it because the Panguna Mine is a mega project. We need the revenue to be generated from it—revenue for the government as well as income for the people. So with the way things are going, we don’t have much option really.

We don’t have much money coming from the National Government in terms of its commitment to allocate adequate funding for reconstruction and for the big job of creating an autonomous government. I think, once the mine is open, Bougainville will be very well off, and we can manage to reconstruct Bougainville and promote sustainable businesses.

‘The former commander of the Bougainville Revolutionary Army, Sam Kauona, is now on side and in agreement with the need to re-open the mine.’

With the collaboration of credible partners from outside, the government itself will have enough money to create a new government. We also need money to create something that’s sustainable and in accordance with the principles of good governance and democracy.

BAPNG: Is there much opposition among local landowners and Bougainville people to the re-opening of the mine?

JM: There is a little bit of opposition but with clarification and with our efforts to create awareness, more and more people are in support: ex-combatants generally, the landowners themselves and the population in general. So, there is not much opposition. There is opposition from some quarters, and that is quite small, due to a lack of understanding.

The former commander of the Bougainville Revolutionary Army, Sam Kauona, is now on side and in agreement with the need to re-open the mine. He also agrees with the new mining law, which I expect the Autonomous Bougainville Government (ABG) to pass by September this year.

BAPNG: The landowners’ umbrella group is seeking a payment of K10 billion (US$4.45 billion). How critical is that before any real work gets under way? Does it have to be in cash or could it be in some other form?

JM: No, it doesn’t have to be [in cash]. As a matter of fact, I am advocating that we should, without too much delay, start negotiations with Bougainville Copper Ltd (BCL) so that they can address some of the burning issues affecting the landowners whose land and whose lives have been detrimentally affected. But we can’t do that unless BCL are given some kind of guarantee that they will be allowed to operate. So, the sooner we negotiate with them, the better for us.

‘Well, people say that the lease has expired, but precedents have been set that say that once leases are expired they must be renewed to the same company, and that is BCL. So, that’s the assumption we’re working under.’

The K10 billion [that] people are talking about can be provided in different forms of development assistance to villagers to rebuild their villages and sort out some of the problems they’ve had as a result of the mine.

It’s not a question of paying K10 billion at one go.

BAPNG: Do you see BCL as the only viable company to re-open the mine itself, or do you see the possibility of another mining company competing for the rights?

JM: The landowners themselves want BCL. That’s their declared condition. I don’t necessarily believe BCL is the only one, but because they legally own the leases, we’ve got to start with them, and under our own law, BCL will have to meet our conditions. I have also mentioned to BCL that perhaps there is a place for a third party to be involved.



BAPNG:   What do you regard as critical in order to get the mine up and running again?

JM: Law and order and rule of law–that’s number one. That is why we’ve spent a lot of time holding forums to allow people to participate in discussions of important issues including law and order, ownership, distribution of benefits and, of course, environmental impacts on the land.

Getting all the different factions together—landowners, ex-combatants, other citizens of Bougainville and the government—is crucially important. Once we come to a consensus, then people will have a sense of ownership of the project, and this also extends to whichever mining company that finally agrees to participate under our conditions.

‘We have had positive discussions with executives from BCL, but we now have to sensitise Rio Tinto executives in London about the way in which we want to proceed.’

We’ve already started the initial discussions with BCL about some of the issues that must be resolved before they start their construction work. It has done a study of the order of magnitude that seems to be very attractive and confirms that currently the mine is a mega project.

BAPNG: BCL estimates it could take five years to rehabilitate the environment and conditions in order to actually get the mine operating again.  Do you see the length of time as a problem?

JM: For us, we need to start generating revenue as soon as possible. We have a time line—2015 and onwards is the ideal window. We have to conduct a referendum to determine our final political status. The historic moment of designing our future is imminent and we need money to achieve that. Procrastinating on opening the mine, even five years, is a bit far.  We must come to an agreement to allow BCL to come and set up their liaison office in Arawa to deal with some of the practical problems, which are not immense, which are not insurmountable, to enable BCL to start spending money on reconstruction work, and that will bring a lot of income to the people and revenue to the ABG, and I think that is what we need.

People, I think, misunderstand that you must wait for the production phase. Reconstruction is where companies spend a lot of money and that’s what we want.  We don’t want to procrastinate on that.

BAPNG: So would you like to see BCL physically return by the end of this year? Can you see it happening?

JM: That’s correct, yes. We will go for that. Of course, we have to take precautions. We have to do things right, and hence the lengthy period of consultation we’ve been having. That should iron out a lot of the problems and help us to come to a consensus to decide what to do.

We have had positive discussions with executives from BCL, but we now have to sensitise Rio Tinto executives in London about the way in which we want to proceed. So far, we have been successful in taking a consensual approach towards restarting the mine.

ramunickel | December 11, 2013 at 9:57 am | Tags: ABG, Bougainville, Environmental damage, Human rights, Indonesia, John Momis, Landholders, Panguna, Papua New Guinea, Rio Tinto, West Papua | Categories: Corruption, Environmental impact, Financial returns, Human rights, Papua New Guinea | URL: http://wp.me/pMvf7-2UV
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666 Postings, 5904 Tage havannaLimestone Mine

 
  
    #17856
2
11.12.13 08:21
111213MANETAI LIMESTONE READY

111213MANETAI LIMESTONE READY
By Aloysius Laukai

Landowners of the Manetai Limestone have finally agreed to allow work to proceed on the shut Manetai Limestone mine.

The property was operated and owned by BDC a company owned by the former North Solomon's Provincial Government before the Bougainville conflict but was destroyed during the height of the crisis.

Landowners have ironed out their differences and want the work to progress quickly so that they can contribute to the economic recovery in Bougainville.

Eivo chief, Cornelius Pesia told New Dawn FM in Buka that chiefs from the area are united for the first time for this project.

New Dawn FM understands the mine used to provide all Lime that BCL needed at the concentrator during their operations and would be needed again if Panguna reopens.

Ends  

448 Postings, 6477 Tage bockaufboc16.11.2013

 
  
    #17857
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11.12.13 12:13
PEOPLE IN THE PANGUNA and Upper-Tailings special mining leases of Bougainville have demanded that Meekamui gang leader Moses Pipiro apologise and explain why he and his followers terrorised them and allegedly stole consultation funds.

As Panguna mine re-opening negotiations continue, the Autonomous Bougainville Government (ABG) mining department planned a Bougainville-wide consultation to unearth public opinion on the mine, widely considered to be the catalyst of the Bougainville crisis during the 1990s.

In the Panguna District, the special mining lease leaders proposed to the ABG that Panguna was a special case where people were directly affected and so ABG should consult directly with village people.

The ABG subsequently allocated funding of K10,000 that was equally distributed to key villages for catering for attendees and facilitators. The program was to kick off on 7 October in Ioro 1 village when the ABG team arrived from Buka.

However, a commotion over funding for Dapera village attracted Moses Pipiro and his gang of opportunists. Pipiro asked Chris Uma’s Meekamui-manned Morgan Junction Checkpoint to deny the ABG team access which they did.

According to special mining lease leaders, Pipiro had been empowered by the September BRA-Meekamui reconciliation in Panguna since when he and his gang of armed robbers have allegedly undermined civil order in the Panguna area.

On the day of the consultations in Ioro 1, Pipiro delivered false information to combatants in Arawa and Morgan Junction that the ABG team heading for Panguna was coming to talk about the re-opening the mine and must be denied access to Panguna.

After disseminating this disinformation, he and his gang allegedly drove to Ioro 1 and grabbed the funds at gunpoint. Then they drove to four other villages and took the money after displaying their weapons.

One special mining lease leader said such criminal activities were only possible because the ABG was not honouring the chain of command from itself to Panguna landowner groups and down to the people.

He said this allowed opportunists like Moses Pipiro, who is not a landowner of any mine affected area, to undertake his activities.

After the news broke of what he had done, Pipiro attempted to deliver the stolen funds to Chris Uma’s Meekamui group at Morgan Checkpoint but they refused to take the ill-gotten money.

The terrorised people have now petitioned so-called Meekamui general Moses Pipiro to come forward and explain why he did his deed and where he spent the money.

448 Postings, 6477 Tage bockaufbocProgress ....von heute

 
  
    #17858
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11.12.13 12:16
The Me'ekamui through their president pledge to work in unity with the ABG. They acknowledged that ABG is the legal government representing them and urged that any matters to do with Panguna must always be progressed in consultation with them. Today's meeting between Bougainville's Acting Chief Administrator, Ministers Oni and Dare with the Me'ekamui, PLOA and PPBS committed all parties to ensuring regular consultations takes place from here on.

159 Postings, 4923 Tage Winbou#17858

 
  
    #17859
11.12.13 21:59
Quelle/Link?

Danke!  

1335 Postings, 6481 Tage Traderevil...MEETING TO OFFICIALLY START ......

 
  
    #17860
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12.12.13 13:59


Quelle: Radio New Dawn on Bougainville

http://www.bougainville.typepad.com/


121213MEETING TO OFFICIALLY START TOMORROW
By Aloysius Laukai in Arawa
The two-days Bougainville Regional Veterans Association failed to get the leaders to officially officiate at the opening ceremony this morning resulting in the meeting being put off for tomorrow.
Former combatants from Central, North and South Bougainville started arriving in Arawa on Monday for this very important meeting.
Instead of opening the meeting the members this morning worked on prioritizing Agendas for this meeting which will now start at the Tunuru Women’s Training centre near Loloho.
The brief meeting this morning, wanted the Minister for Veterans Affairs, DAVID SISITO and the CEO for the Veterans Affairs division, ARON PITA to be present for the opening session.
These two leaders were not present at today’s meeting but will be available tomorrow.
Those who were Present this morning included Chairmen’s of Associations for North, South and Central Bougainville including notable leaders like ISHMAEL TOROAMA,THOMAS TARI,PETER BARIK and the member for Ex-combatants representing North Bougainville in the ABG.

Ends  

222 Postings, 6324 Tage reinhold_tabris17857 und 17858

 
  
    #17861
1
12.12.13 21:43
diese Beiträge sind " getürkt" ! Keine Quellenanzeige!
Des weiteren sind sie nicht auf der ESBC Homepage einsichtbar.
Bocaufboc habe ich ab heute bei mir auf der ignore liste.  

102 Postings, 5138 Tage Peter16Google weiß alles:

 
  
    #17862
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13.12.13 07:52
bei 17857: "PEOPLE IN THE PANGUNA and Upper-Tailings" liefert z.B. gleich als ersten Treffer:  http://asopa.typepad.com/asopa_people/2013/11/...-turns-reckless.html und dann an 6. Stelle http://www.bougainville-copper.eu/news-november-2013-1-1.html  siehe am 16.11.  

102 Postings, 5138 Tage Peter16kleiner Tipp

 
  
    #17863
13.12.13 08:01
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Search
Wenn man nur auf  http://www.bougainville-copper.eu nutze Option site:  
"PEOPLE IN THE PANGUNA and Upper-Tailings" site:http://www.bougainville-copper.eu


 

666 Postings, 5904 Tage havannaABG übernimmt mehr und mehr die Zügel

 
  
    #17864
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16.12.13 11:30
161213PRESIDENT WARNS INVESTORS
By Aloysius Laukai

The ABG Acting President, PATRICK NISIRA wants all investors to go through the Commerce Division instead of going through elected leaders.
He made these remarks to a group of investors who met the President at the Presidential office this morning.
MR. NISIRA said that the ABG was fed up of welcoming people and signing Agreements which in the end does not materialize.
He said that any investors who are interested in investing in the region must come with their proposal for approval by the Screening committee as the ABG has its own Investment policy.
MR. NISIRA also said that the ABG wants all other visits by investors to be deferred until after March 2013 as the leaders want to reflect on the year’s activities and look forward to the festive season and plan for the future.
He said that the leaders need to slow down reflect and plan for the future.
MR. NISIRA said that the ABG is interested in investors who are ready to work and have the needed capital to do so.

Ends  

933 Postings, 4693 Tage LOFPAls der Kurs bei 0,5-1€ stand, da

 
  
    #17865
1
16.12.13 19:30
wurde gekauft ohne Ende.
Heute bei 0,3 kauft kaum einer.
Die Psychologie der Menschen ist wirklich erstaunlich! ;-)  

1528 Postings, 6478 Tage CCLSC@LOFP

 
  
    #17866
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16.12.13 22:27
Du hast Recht, die Psychologie ist in der Tat erstaunlich und bewirkt an den Börsen allzu oft äußerst erstaunliche Kursbewegungen.

Aber was unsere Böcke betrifft, so muss man auch m.E. sagen, dass die "gefühlte Nachrichtenlage" damals signifikant besser war als heute und sich dies 1:1 im Kurs widerspiegelt. Heute reden bzw hören wir doch fast ausschließlich über Probleme, Rückschritte, Scharmützel zwischen den Clans und und und. Das war damals alles in den Hintergrund gerückt und die liebe Psychologie ließ viele auf eine schnelle Wiedereröffnung spekulieren. Von diesem Fast Track - Feeling ist im Moment nichts übrig geblieben und so dümpelt der Kurs halt jetzt da wo er gerade steht.

 

468 Postings, 4975 Tage macoubaUnity the Way forward

 
  
    #17867
17.12.13 03:07
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"Don"t forget why we fought a bloody war"
by ramunickel
"Unity" the way forward for Bougainville

Post Courier | Islands Business

Head trainer of the United Bougainville Training Centre Albert Magoi said Bougainvilleans must not forget why they fought their bloody war. The outspoken ex-combatant said this at Saturday"s Panguna Peace and Progress Concert.

"Bougainville had a vision, "said Magoi, "and there is a reason Bougainville people fought this war against Bougainville Copper Limited and PNG."

He said the fathers had a vision which led to the war that resulted in Bougainville being granted a Referendum for Independence. Magoi challenged Bougainvilleans, particularly senior statespeople and fellow ex-fighters to not lose sight of the unifying vision – the struggle for freedom.

He said that some Bougainvilleans had lost that single vision and many Bougainvilleans had recently been pursuing their own individual dreams and goals.

"Bougainville is like a city with many entry holes, people making their own entries instead of using the main, common entrance – meaning people have many ideologies about what they want." This is not why the war was fought, he stressed. But, he said, the Panguna Concert was a positive step in regaining the Bougainvillean spirit of unity.

Magoi praised Post-Courier for its continued commitment to Bougainville over the last year with its various community projects and sponsorships – commitment, he insists, that is making a very real difference to the Bougainville people.

"With this Peace Concert, Post-Courier has driven in a six-inch nail," he said, "a nail that is an important step in binding Bougainvilleans together."

Magoi said the Bougainville vision was born in Panguna and so unity "must start here. Reconciliation and peace must begin in Panguna, from where it started, the beginning of a new journey to Referendum".

Magoi reminded his fellow Bougainvilleans that they have only a short amount of time to prepare for referendum. Unity of vision and spirit is a vital factor, he said.

ramunickel | December 17, 2013 at 9:49 am | Tags: Bougainville, Environmental damage, Human rights, Landholders, Panguna, Papua New Guinea, Rio Tinto | Categories: Human rights, Papua New Guinea | URL: http://wp.me/pMvf7-2Wa
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666 Postings, 5904 Tage havannaMining Bill 2014

 
  
    #17868
17.12.13 08:17
Mining can stimulate economy – Finance Minister

The Finance Minister in the Autonomous Bougainville Government (ABG), Albert Punghau, has said that mining has the potential to rejuvenate other industries in the autonomous region.
Speaking to Radio New Zealand International (RNZI), Punghau suggested that mining can provide an injection in to the Bougainville economy that can flow to other industries, such as agriculture, that have suffered since the Crisis.
“We are now in total peace, but the issue of getting the agriculture industry up and running so fast,” Mr Punghau said.
“The cash crop industry, for example the cocoa and coconut, and the other crop industries, they’re also equally important here in Bougainville.
“The plantations here that have been closed down that were generating economy to Bougainville.
“It will need money to kick-start all these things that were left for a long time during the war.
“If you can look at mining we can just kick-start the economy quickly,” Mr Punghau continued.
“As soon as construction starts on the mine there will be money thrown to the people and to the government.”
The Finance Minister acknowledged the importance of a stable legislative environment for investment and pointed at the independence referendum and the ABG’s Transitional Mining bill as key milestones.
Punghau also addressed suggestions that people in Central Bougainville don’t want mining, stating there is support on both sides and a desire for information and input from landowners.
“If go to Central Bougainville and you talk to the actual people on the ground you will find that there are people who want the mine to be open and there are also people there who think the mine should not be open,” Mr Punghau told RNZI.
“These are the people that we need to educate and we need to tell them why it is important that we have to get this mine up.”
The Transitional Mining bill be looked at by parliament in 2014 and a referendum on independence is due between 2015 and 2020.
 

31878 Postings, 5420 Tage tbhomyDie Weisheit der Politik

 
  
    #17869
17.12.13 08:21
“These are the people that we need to educate and we need to tell them why it is important that we have to get this mine up.”

Aber bitte bei der Wahrheit bleiben, Albert. ;-)
 

1335 Postings, 6481 Tage Traderevil....@tbhomy......

 
  
    #17870
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17.12.13 08:55

.....wahr ist aber auch, bzw. kommt oft so rüber, als ob vor dem re-opening alle Probleme der Insel gelöst sein müßten. Das ist Quatsch.

Die Wiederaufnahme des minings bringt eine starke Dynamik in die Region mit dem Ergebniss das die heutige Generation einen spürbaren Fortschritt und Verbesserung der Lebensbedingungen  erfahren wird und das  ziemlich schnell. In diesem Prozess wird nach und nach eine Vergangenheitsbewältigung und Weiterentwicklung des allgemeinen Standards möglich sein. Je schneller um so besser denn egal wie der einzelne auf Bougainville dazu steht: realistisch gesehen  es kommt so wie so, will sagen der Zug fährt  in Richtung re-opening. ;-))))))).

 

31878 Postings, 5420 Tage tbhomytraderevil

 
  
    #17871
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17.12.13 10:01
Ich persönlich favorisiere aus Eigeninteresse (Shares) auch das Re-opening. Ganz klar. Aber ich fürchte um die Bevölkerung und die anderen "kleinen Figuren" in diesem Spiel.

Immer wenn es um sehr viel Geld ging, habe ich in der Vergangenheit mit ansehen müssen, wie plötzlich vom GELD Optionen gezogen wurden, die niemand für mögliche gehalten hätte.

Ich fürchte, dass Rio Tinto es nicht in der Hand hat...und selbst wenn sie es hätten, ginge es ihnen nicht um ethische Belange der Urbevökerung.

Es müssen mindestens die Probleme gelöst sein, die einem kontinuierlichen Minenbetrieb im Wege stehen.  

1335 Postings, 6481 Tage Traderevil....@tbhomy ......

 
  
    #17872
17.12.13 12:55

....sicherlich gibt es eine ganz große Anzahl von  Schnittmengen in den unterschiedlichen Argumentationen.
Die zeitnahen Info`s machen auch deutlich das sich die meisten Beteiligten große Mühe machen um die Entwicklung zu managen.
Der Punkt ist aber der: es nervt gewaltig wenn die Massenträgheit, das bequeme in Ruhe verharrende Moment die Geschwindigkeit des Systems  bestimmt.

Allzu oft ist dies nachweislich  in negativen Eigenschaften wie Egoismus, Angst, Unwissenheit,  Unflexibilität oder drastischer: in Dummheit begründet.yell
Es gibt doch Beispiele en masse, vor allem auch im näheren geografischen Umfeld, das sich fortschrittliche Entwicklungen niemals aufhalten lassen mit der oben angesprochenen zeitlichen Verzögerung doch noch durchsetzen und dann taucht immer wieder die Frage auf : Warum erst jetzt? ;-)))))))

 

31878 Postings, 5420 Tage tbhomySysteme sind rational...

 
  
    #17873
17.12.13 16:28
...nicht beliebig übertragbar. Das gilt auch für PNG. Man hat es bereits einmal erleben dürfen dort. Und an anderen Orten dieses Planeten ist es nicht anders.

Die Zeit bedeutet für das Geld Einiges, für die Ratio aber nur wenig. Es kann nun schnell gehen oder noch lange dauern. Wer weiss das schon genau...

Wer sind wir, dass wir entscheiden, was für jeden einzelnen Menschen dort unten gut und/oder vernünftig ist?

Wir sind Aktionäre, denen es im Falle von Erträgen im Schnitt gar nicht schnell genug gehen kann. Oder?

 

468 Postings, 4975 Tage macoubaFilipino

 
  
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17.12.13 23:00

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Bougainville president seeks Filipino partners in rebuilding war-torn homeland
by ramunickel
Henry Empeño | Business Mirror


President John L. Momis of the Autonomous Bougainville Government calls on Filipinos to help provide expertise and capital in rebuilding Bougainville during the graduation of Bougainville trainees in Iba, Zambales, on Saturday. (Henry Empeño)

President John L. Momis of the Autonomous Bougainville Government in Papua New Guinea (PNG) appealed on Saturday for Filipino expertise and capital to help rebuild his resource-rich island-province ravaged by almost a decade of civil war.

Speaking during the graduation ceremony hosted by Gov. Hermogenes Ebdane Jr. for Bougainville citizens who trained here in livelihood development under Zambales’s homegrown Program of Global Excellence (Poge), Momis said they badly need partners to help develop their economy and arm their citizens with skills crucial to self-determination.

Momis, with his wife Elizabeth, stood as guest of honor in the inauguration of the Zambales Hotel, the newest project of the provincial government, and the Zambales Training Center in this town, which housed the two batches of Poge-Bougainville trainees.

In his message, Momis noted that Filipinos “are educated [and] technically qualified, and they are now in a position to do something to better their own lives.”

He said that while Bougainville has rich natural resources, “we lack expertise and capital.”

Momis was elected ABG president in 2010, after serving as member of the Papuan parliament, ambassador to the People’s Republic of China and governor of Bougainville from 1999 to 2005.

He enjoined Filipinos to come to Bougainville “not only to come and help us and then move out, but to [become] partners for life so that we can enjoy the fruits of our common labor.”

“You bring your expertise and capital—but most especially your expertise—so that we can collaborate based on the principle of equitable distribution, so that both your people and our people can benefit,” he said.

“We want to learn more from you. And hopefully, together with you,” Momis said.

While calling for outside help, Momis tempered his appeal with the assertion that Bougainville, exploited as it was by foreign business, is now determined to chart its own destiny.

He said the civil war that destroyed his homeland was “a direct result of the systematic and ongoing process of alienation and marginalization, which led to impoverishment and dehumanization.”

Bougainville, an island-province of the state of PNG in southwestern Pacific Ocean, is the site of the Panguna mine, one of the world’s largest open-pit mines in the world.

Established in the early 1970s by Bougainville Copper Ltd., an Australian mining company controlled by British mining giant Rio Tinto Zinc, the mine contributed to as much as 45 percent of the income of PNG, but benefited Bougainville with just about 0.5 percent to 1.25 percent of the total profit.

This disparity in income, along with environmental and social impacts of the mining project, fueled a secessionist movement in Bougainville that became a full-blown civil war from 1988 to 1998.

“It was a bloody war that cost 10,000 to 15,000 lives,” said Momis, who served as a Catholic priest from 1970 until 1993, but who rose to political prominence after being elected in 1972 as representative of the then-North Solomons to PNG’s first representative assembly.

As parliament member, Momis chaired the constitutional committee and was credited with being the co-author of PNG’s Constitution, but he resigned his seat even before PNG gained independence in 1975, to establish a secessionist organization in Bougainville.

The secessionists, he said, stood up to defend their human rights and the dignity of the people of Bougainville.

“Unfortunately, in the confrontation, many lives were lost. Everything was destroyed because the Papua New Guinea defense forces decided to launch an attack on its own citizens,” he added.

Momis said the two batches of Bougainville citizens who arrived in Zambales to train, did so in order for them to liberate themselves and become incubators of change.

“We aim to transform our own society. We don’t want to be spoon-fed, or become subjects of dependency. We want to take charge of our own development,” he stressed.

He said that when foreigners came to Bougainville in the past, it was only to exploit the island’s resources, leaving the natives in bare existence.

“We are no longer interested in merely surviving. We want to prosper, but it will be prosperity that we create for ourselves in conjunction with men and women of goodwill, such as your people who have a lot of experience in overcoming problems in the past,” Momis said.

The Bougainville leader also said that while the island-province has a lot of professionals, many of them have left the countryside for the city. “This must be changed,” he stressed.

Momis then thanked Zambales officials for the encouragement they gave Bougainville natives who joined the Poge training program.

“The experience our young men and women get from you here will be more than enough to motivate them to stand up for their rights, and to stand up for the good of others,” Momis said.

Ebdane said Zambales would continue to train Bougainville natives under the Poge program, which focuses on livelihood development, business administration and fiscal management.

He said the two batches of Bougainville trainees were trained to become trainors themselves when they returned to their province, thus spreading the necessary skills to further develop their community.

ramunickel | December 18, 2013 at 6:51 am | Tags: Bougainville, Human rights, John Momis, Landholders, Panguna, Papua New Guinea, Rio Tinto | Categories: Environmental impact, Financial returns, Human rights, Papua New Guinea | URL: http://wp.me/pMvf7-2Wg
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1335 Postings, 6481 Tage Traderevil.......#17873....nur mal als Bsp.....

 
  
    #17875
18.12.13 12:58

zu .....Wer sind wir, dass wir entscheiden, was für jeden einzelnen Menschen dort unten gut und/oder vernünftig ist?

Wir sind Aktionäre, denen es im Falle von Erträgen im Schnitt gar nicht schnell genug gehen kann. Oder?
...........



gestern entschieden in einem sehr weit entwickelten Rechtsstaat mit hoher Bevölkerungsdichte:

http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/...r-dienstag-12715735.html

Bemerkenswert die Begründung:
....Das vom Kläger eingeforderte eigenständige Recht auf Heimat ergebe sich nicht aus dem Grundgesetz......

Nur mal so als Denkanstoß.

;-)

 

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