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60912 Postings, 3586 Tage EtelsenPredatorIch teile...

 
  
    #3976
4
08.05.22 11:43
..die Ansichten von Tony Ford überwiegend.

Putin kann den Krieg jederzeit beenden und für sich und seine Camarilla einen "Sieg" oder ein "erfolgreiches Ende der militärischen Spezialoperationen" verkünden.
Spielt keine Rolle, dass der Rest der Welt eine andere Einschätzung haben wird.

Einen Atomschlag wird es maximal geben, wenn russisches Territorium angegriffen wird. Da die NATO nicht eingreift (Putin macht auch nichts, um ein Eingreifen zu provozieren), passiert da gar nichts.

Es muss einzig darum gehen, die Ukraine maximal militärisch zu stärken. Wenn es dann irgendwann zu Verhandlungen kommt, muss die Ukraine eine starke Position haben.

Ich weiß, es gibt ein Restrisiko. Aber Putin ist bereits durch den Beginn des Krieges, spätestens aber mit der Eskalation in der atomaren Frage zum Paria geworden. Berichte und Aussagen aus China werden häufiger und deutlicher, wonach die Situation in der Ukraine nicht im chinesischem Interesse ist und man die Unabhängigkeit und das Selbstbestimmungsrecht der Staaten anerkennt.
Putin wird dieses schon als deutliches Signal erkannt haben.
Warten wir also ab, was in den nächsten Tagen rhetorisch so alles durchdringt...  

9678 Postings, 1744 Tage qiwwiFull text from Zelenskiy's 8 May address

 
  
    #3977
1
08.05.22 11:45
Can spring be black and white? Is there eternal February? Are golden words devalued? Unfortunately, Ukraine knows the answers to all these questions. Unfortunately, the answers are “yes”.

Every year on May 8, together with the entire civilized world, we honor everyone who defended the planet from Nazism during World War II. Millions of lost lives, crippled destinies, tortured souls and millions of reasons to say to evil: never again!

We knew the price our ancestors paid for this wisdom. We knew how important it is to preserve it and pass it on to posterity. But we had no idea that our generation would witness the desecration of the words, which, as it turned out, are not the truth for everyone.

This year we say “Never again” differently. We hear “Never again” differently. It sounds painful, cruel. Without an exclamation, but with a question mark. You say: never again? Tell Ukraine about it.

On February 24, the word “never” was erased. Shot and bombed. By hundreds of missiles at 4am, which woke up the entire Ukraine. We heard terrible explosions. We heard: again!

The city of Borodyanka is one of the many victims of this crime! Behind me is one of many witnesses! Not a military facility, not a secret base, but a simple nine-storey building. Can it pose a security threat to Russia, to 1/8 of the land, the world’s second army, a nuclear state? Can anything be more absurd than this question? It can.

250kg high explosive bombs, with which the superpower shelled this small town. And it went numb. It cannot say today: never again! It cannot say anything today. But here everything is clear without words.

Just look at this house. There used to be walls here. They once had photos on them. And in the photos there were those who once went through the hell of war. Fifty men who were sent to Germany for forced labor. Those who were burned alive when the Nazis burned more than 100 houses here.

250 soldiers who died on the fronts of World War II, and a total of almost 1,000 residents of Borodyanka who fought and defeated Nazism. To ensure: never again. They fought for the future of children, for the life that was here until February 24.

Imagine people going to bed in each of these apartments. They wish good night to each other. Turn off the light. Hug their loved ones. Close their eyes. They dream of something. There is complete silence. They all fall asleep, not knowing that not everyone will wake up. They sleep soundly. They have a dream of something pleasant. But in a few hours they will be awakened by missile explosions. And someone will never wake up again. Never again.

The word “never” was dropped from this slogan. Amputated during the so-called special operation. They stabbed a knife in the heart and, looking into the eyes, said: “It’s not us!” Tortured with the words “not everything is so unambiguous.” Killed “Never again”, saying: “We can repeat.”

And so it happened. And the monsters began to repeat. And our cities, which survived such a heinous occupation that 80 years are not enough to forget about it, saw the occupier again. And got the second date of occupation in their history. And some cities, such as Mariupol, got the third. During the two years of occupation, the Nazis killed 10,000 civilians there. In two months of occupation, Russia killed 20,000.

Decades after World War II, darkness returned to Ukraine. And it became black and white again. Again! Evil has returned. Again! In a different uniform, under different slogans, but for the same purpose. A bloody reconstruction of Nazism was organized in Ukraine. A fanatical repetition of this regime. Its ideas, actions, words and symbols. Maniacal detailed reproduction of its atrocities and “alibi”, which allegedly give an evil sacred purpose. Repetition of its crimes and even attempts to surpass the “teacher” and move him from the pedestal of the greatest evil in human history. Set a new world record for xenophobia, hatred, racism and the number of victims they can cause.

Never again! It was an ode of a wise man! Anthem of the civilized world! But someone sang out of tune. Distorted “Never again” with notes of doubt. Silenced, beginning his deadly aria of evil. And this is clear to all countries that have seen the horrors of Nazism with their own eyes. And today they are experiencing a terrible deja vu. See it again!

All nations who have been branded “third-class”, slaves without the right to their own state or to exist at all hear statements that exalt one nation and erase others with ease. They claim that you don’t really exist, you are artificially created, and therefore you have no rights. Everyone hears the language of evil. Again!

And together they acknowledge the painful truth: we have not withstood even a century. Our Never again was enough for 77 years. We missed the evil. It was reborn. Again and now!

This is understood by all countries and nations who support Ukraine today. And despite the new mask of the beast, they recognized him. Because, unlike some, they remember what our ancestors fought for and against. They did not confuse the first with the second, did not change their places, did not forget.

The Poles didn’t forget, on whose land the Nazis began their march and fired the first shot of World War II. Didn’t forget how evil first accuses you, provokes you, calls you an aggressor, and then attacks at 4.45am saying it’s self-defense. And they saw how it repeated on our land. They remember the Nazi-destroyed Warsaw. And they see what was done to Mariupol.

The British people did not forget how the Nazis wiped out Coventry, which was bombed 41 times. How the “Moonlight Sonata” from the Luftwaffe sounded, when the city was continuously bombed for 11 hours. How its historic center, factories, St. Michael’s Cathedral were destroyed. And they saw missiles hit Kharkiv. How its historic center, factories and the Assumption Cathedral were damaged. They remember London being bombed for 57 nights in a row. Remember how V-2 hit Belfast, Portsmouth, Liverpool. And they see cruise missiles hit Mykolaiv, Kramatorsk, Chernihiv. They remember how Birmingham was bombed. And they see its sister city Zaporizhzhia being damaged.

The Dutch remember this. How Rotterdam became the first city to be completely destroyed when the Nazis dropped 97 tons of bombs on it.

The French remember this. Remember Oradour-sur-Glane, where the SS burned half a thousand women and children alive. Mass hangings in Tulle, the massacre in the village of Ascq. Thousands of people at a resistance rally in occupied Lille. They saw what was done in Bucha, Irpin, Borodyanka, Volnovakha and Trostyanets. They see the occupation of Kherson, Melitopol, Berdyansk and other cities where people do not give up. And thousands of them go to peaceful rallies, which are beyond the power of the occupiers, and all they can do is shoot at civilians.

The Czechs have not forgotten this. How in less than a day, the Nazis destroyed Lidice, leaving only ashes from the village. They saw Popasna destroyed. There are not even ashes left from it. The Greeks, who survived massacres and executions throughout the territory, the blockade and the Great Famine, have not forgotten.

This is remembered by Americans who fought evil on two fronts. Who passed Pearl Harbor and Dunkirk with the Allies. And together we are going through new, no less difficult battles.

This is remembered by all Holocaust survivors - how one nation can hate another.

Lithuanians, Latvians, Estonians, Danes, Georgians, Armenians, Belgians, Norwegians and many others have not forgotten this - all those who suffered from Nazism on their land and all those who defeated it in the anti-Hitler coalition.

Unfortunately, there are those who, having survived all these crimes, having lost millions of people who fought for victory and gained it, have desecrated the memory of them and their feat today.

The one who allowed the shelling of the cities of Ukraine from his land. The cities that, along with our ancestors, were liberated by his ancestors.

The one who spat in the face of his “Immortal Regiment”, placing torturers from Bucha next to it.

And challenged all mankind. But forgot the main thing: any evil always ends the same – it ends.

Fellow Ukrainians!

Today, on the Day of Remembrance and Reconciliation, we pay homage to all those who defended their homeland and the world from Nazism. We note the feat of the Ukrainian people and their contribution to the victory of the anti-Hitler coalition.

Explosions, shots, trenches, wounds, famine, bombing, blockades, mass executions, punitive operations, occupation, concentration camps, gas chambers, yellow stars, ghettos, Babyn Yar, Khatyn, captivity, forced labor. They died so that each of us knows what these words mean from books, not from our own experience. But it happened differently. This is unfair to them all. But the truth will win. And we will overcome everything!

And the proof of this is called “Werewolf”. This is Hitler’s former headquarters and bunker near Vinnytsia. And all that is left of it is a few stones. Ruins. The ruins of a person who considered himself great and invincible. This is a guide for all of us and future generations. What our ancestors fought for. And proved that no evil can avoid responsibility. Will not be able to hide in the bunker. There will be no stone left of it. So we will overcome everything. And we know this for sure, because our military and all our people are descendants of those who overcame Nazism. So they will win again.

And there will be peace again. Finally again!

We will overcome the winter, which began on February 24, lasts on May 8, but will definitely end, and the Ukrainian sun will melt it! And we will meet our dawn together with the whole country. And family and loved ones, friends and relatives will be together again! Finally again! And over the temporarily occupied cities and villages our flag will fly again. Finally again! And we will get together. And there will be peace! Finally again! And no more black and white dreams, only a blue and yellow dream. Finally again! Our ancestors fought for this.

Eternal honor to all who fought against Nazism!

Eternal memory to all those killed during World War II!  

29731 Postings, 8543 Tage Tony Ford#3974 ...

 
  
    #3978
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08.05.22 11:58
Der Witz an der Sache ist, dass den Rest, der noch übrig war, dann kurz nach der Wende windige Geschäftsleute aus dem Westen weggeschleppt haben, was ich als einen der Hauptgründe sehe, weshalb sich im Osten eine kritische Sicht auf den Westen entwickelt hat.

Im Prinzip wurde Ostdeutschland von beiden Seiten enttäuscht und diese Enttäuschung sitzt tief.

Dennoch hat sich Ostdeutschland nach holprigem Start dank Soli und Förderprogramme deutlich weiterentwickelt, was unter der Flagge Russlands nie in diesem Umfang passiert wäre.

 

9678 Postings, 1744 Tage qiwwidas Schicksal ist leider ungerecht... und das gilt

 
  
    #3979
08.05.22 12:17
im Krieg ebenso wie im Frieden...

Als WKII zu Ende war, wurden die einen demontiert und die anderen gewannen nen 6-er im Lotto in Form des Marshall-Plans  

17174 Postings, 7562 Tage sue.vi.

 
  
    #3980
08.05.22 12:30
May 3 (Reuters) - TotalEnergies' 240,000 barrels per day Leuna refinery in Germany is set to continue to import Russian crude oil via the Druzhba pipeline at least throughout May, according to two sources with knowledge of the matter.
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/...ts-may-sources-2022-05-03/

 

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    #3981
08.05.22 12:48
May 6, 2022
Ukrainian President Zelenskyy to join virtual G7 summit
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/zelenskyy-join-virtual-g7-summit
meeting and conversation on Sunday  

1950 Postings, 5584 Tage ParadiseBirdsearching for a virgin...

 
  
    #3982
08.05.22 12:49
Die Ukraine braucht mal ein paar Gebietsgewinne gegen Russland.

Damit das funktioniert, ist eine Art "Jeanne d'Arc" gesucht, also jemand der den nationalen Willen so entfacht und da mutig rangeht, dass die bisher verlorenen Gebiete zurückkommen; und das mit möglichst wenigen Opfern.  

20431 Postings, 2732 Tage SzeneAlternativLöschung

 
  
    #3983
1
08.05.22 13:41

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20431 Postings, 2732 Tage SzeneAlternativPutin heute:

 
  
    #3984
1
08.05.22 13:45
Er wünsche den Ukrainern eine "friedvolle" und "gerechte Zukunft".
Zynischer gehts nicht....  

38620 Postings, 6317 Tage börsenfurz1Ja Szene Realität ist schwer zu ertragen!

 
  
    #3985
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08.05.22 14:04

20431 Postings, 2732 Tage SzeneAlternativIn der Tat

 
  
    #3986
1
08.05.22 14:06

38620 Postings, 6317 Tage börsenfurz1oh dann immer persönlich werden....

 
  
    #3987
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08.05.22 14:26

29731 Postings, 8543 Tage Tony FordTraurig aber wahr ...

 
  
    #3988
4
08.05.22 14:38
dass Russland für sein höchst egoistisches imperialistisches Vorgehen sogar Jene zum Feind macht, die für diesen Konflikt gar nichts können.

Von Wegen, dass man nur militärische Ziele im Sinn hat. Aber so reiht sich Respektlosigkeit an Respektlosigkeit.  

20431 Postings, 2732 Tage SzeneAlternativsiehe #3985

 
  
    #3989
1
08.05.22 14:40
Putin lügt, wenn ers Maul aufmacht  

20431 Postings, 2732 Tage SzeneAlternativDie Aussage:

 
  
    #3990
08.05.22 14:44
"Wehret den Anfängen !" ist schon nicht mehr umsetzbar, da man aus Angst und Furcht weggeguckt hat.
Jetzt wird es spannend, ob  "Wehret dem Schluss!" noch möglich ist....  

17174 Postings, 7562 Tage sue.vi.

 
  
    #3991
08.05.22 15:22
The War Is Getting More Dangerous for America, and Biden Knows It
May 6, 2022
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/06/opinion/biden-ukraine-leaks.html
Der Krieg wird zunehmend gefährlich für Amerika, und Biden weiß es

 

9678 Postings, 1744 Tage qiwwi15:22 kann ich leider nicht lesen w/pay-wall

 
  
    #3992
08.05.22 16:06
Könntest du ihn hier einstellen ??  

17174 Postings, 7562 Tage sue.vi.

 
  
    #3993
08.05.22 16:30
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many sailors, we could be creating an opening for Putin to respond in ways that could dangerously widen this conflict — and drag the U.S. in deeper than it wants to be.

It is doubly dangerous, senior U.S. officials say, because it is increasingly obvious to them that Putin’s behavior is not as predictable as it has been in the past. And Putin is running out of options for some kind of face-saving success on the ground — or even a face-saving off ramp.

It is hard to exaggerate what a catastrophe this war has been for Putin so far. Indeed, Biden pointed out to his team that Putin was trying to push back on NATO expansion, and he’s ended up laying the groundwork for the expansion of NATO. Both Finland and Sweden are now taking steps toward joining an alliance they’ve stayed out of for seven decades.

But that is why U.S. officials are quite concerned what Putin might do or announce at the Victory Day celebration in Moscow on Monday, which marks the anniversary of the Soviet Union’s defeat of Nazi Germany. It is traditionally a day of military parades and celebration of the prowess of the Russian Army. Putin could mobilize even more soldiers, make some other provocation or do nothing at all. But no one knows.

Alas, we have to be alive to the fact that it’s not only the Russians who would like to involve us more deeply. Have no illusions, President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine has been trying to do the same thing from the start — to make Ukraine an immediate member of NATO or get Washington to forge a bilateral security pact with Kyiv. I am in awe of Zelensky’s heroism and leadership ..........
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546 Postings, 1053 Tage Bärenhunger"die Sache mit der Mobilmachung"

 
  
    #3994
08.05.22 16:39

Im russischen Fernsehen hat sich ein ehemaliger sowjetischer Militär skeptisch darüber geäußert, ob dieser Schritt wirklich zu einer Wende im Ukraine-Krieg führen könnte.

 Siehe weitere sehr interessante Angaben des Ex-Militärs im Bericht.

Focus Artikel (Text/Video) mit Bezug auf 9.Mai


 

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    #3995
08.05.22 16:41
I am in awe of Zelensky’s heroism and leadership. If I were him, I’d be trying to get the U.S. as enmeshed on my side as he is.
But I’m an American citizen, and I want us to be careful. Ukraine was, and still is, a country marbled with corruption.
 

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    #3996
08.05.22 16:50
That doesn’t mean we should not be helping it. I am glad we are. I insist we do. But my sense is that the Biden team is walking much more of a tightrope with Zelensky than it would appear to the eye — wanting to do everything possible to make sure he wins this war but doing so in a way that still keeps some distance between us and Ukraine’s leadership.  

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    #3997
08.05.22 17:03
That is so that Kiev is not in charge and that we will not be ashamed of the messy Ukrainian politics in the aftermath of the war.

According to my reporting, the view of Biden and his team is that America should help Ukraine restore its sovereignty and beat back the Russians — but not let Ukraine turn into an American protectorate on Russia’s border. We must stay focused on what is our national interest and not stray into ways that lead to exposures and risks that we do not want.
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https://windobi.com/...more-dangerous-for-america-and-biden-knows-it/  

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    #3998
08.05.22 17:19
If you just followed news reports on Ukraine, you might think that the war has settled into a long, grinding and somewhat boring slog. You would be wrong.

Things are actually getting more dangerous by the day.

For starters, the longer this war goes on, the more opportunity for catastrophic miscalculations — and the raw material for that is piling up fast and furious. Take the two high-profile leaks from American officials this past week about U.S. involvement in the Russia-Ukraine war:
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    #3999
08.05.22 18:02

24 mars
My podcast with Lulu Garcia-Navarro, Ross Douthat and Farah Stockman - Four Opinion Writers on Ukraine: ‘If This War Drags On, We Are in a Completely New World’
https://twitter.com/tomfriedman  

1096 Postings, 1516 Tage selsingen„Das Ende“ von Wladimir Putin

 
  
    #4000
08.05.22 19:48
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