COOP News (ehemals: Wamu /WMIH)
Es war immer die Rede, dass der neuen Gesellschaft verrechenbare Verluste in beträchtlicher Höhe zur Verfügung stehen würden. Damit man diese nutzen kann, muß doch die neue gesellschaft Gewinne und damit Steuern zahlen. Erst dann können diese doch verrechnet werden. Da muß es doch eine Deadline geben wie bespielsweise das Ende des Geschäftsjahres oder Kalenderjahr.
Sprich wir sollten doch vor diesem Zeitpunkt Neuigkeiten zum erreichten Stand der Entwicklung der neuen Gesellschaft erhalten. Ich weiss, dass das sehr Laienhaft ausgedrückt ist, aber besser krieg ich das nicht
scheinbar sowieso öffentlich die ganzen Daten.
download lt. verschiedenen leuten auch nicht möglich. abbruch angeblich immer bei 93,9%
http://www.ftd.de/unternehmen/finanzdienstleister/...er/70040364.html
/paketix
Stay long. John
Der JPM Trading Verlust ist gar nicht wirklich passiert, sondern war in Wahrheit nur vorgeschoben, um politische Spenden an David Cameron in Grossbritannien zu decken, und dadurch die US Republikaner zu bestechen - eigentlich total logisch.
http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/Stocks_(A_to_Z)/...;frt=2&off=1
http://www.n-tv.de/wirtschaft/...Chef-hat-versagt-article6321991.html
Gruß
Zion
Ob Angela Merkel auch demnächst dran kommt? Vielleicht war Norbert Röttgen ihr auf der Spur und musste deswegen gehen? Stay tuned..
Wenn den Rechenkünstler jemand lesen will, soll er das auf yahoo tun.
Er hat sich schließlich hier (nicht !) verabschiedet. Anscheinend hatte er NICHT mehr ausreichend Fürsprecher.
Und nicht umsonst hat er in einem yahoo Beitrag gefordert, seine(n) Beiträge(Beitrag) eben NICHT hier einzustellen.
Ich und möglicherweise ein paar Andere brauchen ihn nach solchen Aussagen nicht.
ich denke da immer an folgenden spruch:
"nur weil du paranoid bist, heisst das nicht, dass sie nicht hinter dir her sind."
dass hinter all diesen verquickungen KEIN körnchen wahrheit steckt ist für mich eben auch sehr unwahrscheinlich ... wahrscheinlich ist nicht alles so schwarz wie es faster sieht aber weiss ist es garantiert auch nicht denn diese farbe gibt es in der banken-welt nicht
am ende ist die nacht doch schwärzer als wir vermuten ... weil wir erst die dämmerung erleben
ihr wisst sicher wie ich das meine ;)
spannend bleibt es auf jeden fall
/paketix
Faster konnte mehr als die meisten hier.
Egal wie richtig alles ist, Ideen zu formulieren und sich noch gut auszukennen, kann was.
Was hat Jamie einmal verkündet! Man will uns melken und eine Kuh war auf dem Foto zu sehen. Sieht so aus als wäre die Kuh nun zum Schlachter unterwegs. Ach dieser Fall bleibt einfach spannend und irgendeiner schießt sich immer in den Fuß.
Stay long. John
es wäre halt viel schöner, wenn die neue WMI Holdings Corp. oder die alte WMI der Schlachter sein würde.
Dies gilt vor allem für die im Ausland eingelagerten Goldbarren, die über 90 Prozent der gesamten deutschen Reserven ausmachen. Zum Bilanzstichtag 31. Dezember 2011 hielt die Bundesbank offiziell rund 3.396 Tonnen oder 109 Millionen Unzen Feingold. Unterstellt man, dass 90 Prozent im Ausland – vor allem in den USA – gelagert werden, so hat Deutschland sage und schreibe auf knapp 3.056 Tonnen seiner Goldreserven keinen direkten Zugriff. Tatsächlich dürfte dieser Anteil noch höher sein, da Schätzungen zufolge sogar mehr als 90 Prozent der deutschen Goldreserven in den USA, Frankreich und England verwahrt werden.
Es ist schön zu träumen, es würde uns gehören!
Gruß ans Board der charly
nur wir haben leider noch nicht viel erreicht.tatsache,ansonsten nur spekulation und warterei.das geld ist pfutsch,der frust sitzt tief und die moral wird aufrecht gehalten....echt tolle aussichten.leider können wir nur hoffen und warten,daß ist nicht viel was uns übrig geblieben ist.
WIR HABEN GEWONNEN UND DENNOCH VERLOREN,c'est la vie !!!
Hier ein Beitrag etwa 48 min.
Gruß
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7P5pbx7Ufyk&feature=fvwrel
READ ALL OF THIS>>> Do not forget the "Ordinary Loss" that occurred when the debtors abandoned the stock in WMB. That is a very large sum of money. Probably in the neighborhood of 18 Billion. I know the debtors took some tax losses in 2009, 2010. When the IRS installed the Rule that allows holding companies i.e. WMI to realize an Ordinary Loss instead of an Operation Loss when they lost their main income producing asset i.e WAMU BANKS they did with the expressed intention that the Holding Company could then take an "ORDINARY LOSS" that could be rolled over onto the entities books, therefore allowing the holding companies creditors and shareholders to recoup some investment through an acquisition schedule. Of course IRS does not want to facilitate acquisition to avoid taxes, but that is exactly what they did with this rule. WMIH meets every requirement in the language I have submitted below.
If the Holding Company does not use this Ordinary Loss in the tax year it was acquired i.e 2012, then the Hold Co will have to put the Loss on the books in the NOL category and therefore subject the loss to stricter rules per the IRS. WMI is not going to allow a multi-billion loss now worth 39% to an acquiring firm to just rollover into the NOL category on WMI's books. No, once the BK is completely finalized and all creditors are satisfied, (if I am reading this right) WMIH can then be acquired for the losses as well as the assets. An ordinary loss is not an operating loss. Worthless Stock is just that WORTHLESS !!!
WMI MEETS THE 165 TEST (remember discussions about this in BK court?)
Parent can deduct as ordinary loss worthless securities in wholly-owned subsidiary PLR 201108001 IRS has privately ruled that, provided Code Sec. 165(a) 's and Code Sec. 165(g) 's requirements for claiming a worthless securities deduction are met, a savings and loan (S&L) company may claim an ordinary loss for its basis in the stock of its wholly-owned banking subsidiary. In so holding, IRS determined that the interest on and gains from the sale of the subsidiary's real estate and consumer loans were active receipts for purposes of applying the Code Sec. 165(g)(3) gross receipts test since, until the subsidiary was placed in receivership, it was an active operating company that performed significant services in its banking transactions. Background. If any security that is a capital asset becomes worthless during the tax year, the loss is treated as from the sale or exchange of a capital asset—that is, as a capital loss—on the last day of the tax year. ( Code Sec. 165(g)(1) ) A share of stock in a corporation is included in the definition of a security. ( Code Sec. 165(g)(2) )
Under the Code Sec. 165(g)(3) exception, a domestic corporation can claim an ordinary loss for worthless securities of an affiliated corporation. A corporation is affiliated with the taxpayer if it meets these two tests: ...
Ownership test. The taxpayer must own directly stock in the corporation meeting the requirements of Code Sec. 1504(a)(2) (i.e., at least 80% of the voting power and value of the corporation's stock); ( Code Sec. 165(g)(3)(A) ) and ...
Gross receipts test. More than 90% of the aggregate of the corporation's gross receipts for all tax years must be from sources other than royalties, rents (except rents derived from rental of properties to employees of the corporation in the ordinary course of its operating business), dividends, interest (except interest received on deferred purchase price of operating assets sold), annuities, and gains from sales or exchanges of stocks and securities. ( Code Sec. 165(g)(3)(B) ) Reg.
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1.165-5(d)(2)(iii) provides that the gross receipts test applies for all tax years during which the subsidiary has been in existence. Under Reg. § 1.1502-80(c) , subsidiary stock is not treated as worthless under Code Sec. 165 until immediately before the earlier of the time: (1) the stock is worthless within the meaning of Reg. § 1.1502-19(c)(1)(iii) ; or (2) the subsidiary for any reason ceases to be a member of the group. Under Code Sec. 582(c) , the sale or exchange of a bond, debenture, note, certificate, or other evidence of indebtedness by financial institutions (including banks) will generally result in ordinary gain or loss. Worthless stock in an affiliated bank (in which the taxpayer owns at least 80% of each class of stock) gives rise to an ordinary loss deduction if the stock becomes worthless.
Facts. Parent and its domestic corporate subsidiaries are members of an affiliated group of corporations that has historically filed a U.S. consolidated federal income tax return. Parent is a S&L company, and the subsidiary at issue (Sub), in which Parent owns all outstanding stock, operated as a federally chartered savings bank and was Parent's principal operating subsidiary. Parent and one of its non-banking subsidiaries (bankrupt subsidiary) filed for chapter 11 bankruptcy on Date 1. The bankruptcy filing was precipitated by the seizure of Sub by the Office of Thrift Supervision and placement into a receivership with the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) on Date 2, immediately followed by a receivership sale of substantially all of Sub's assets.
The FDIC, as receiver, continues to act on Sub's behalf and holds Sub's remaining assets (including the sale proceeds). The receivership sale was a taxable transaction in which a separate entity purchased substantially all of Sub's assets and assumed all of its the deposits and certain other liabilities. Sub also had unassumed debt liabilities, and parent's group reported a net loss on its consolidated tax return with respect to the sale.
Since the sale, Sub's assets have principally consisted of the cash proceeds, some amount of which has been invested in marketable securities, and certain intercompany claims and other causes of action. On Date 3, Parent and its bankrupt subsidiary filed a proposed plan of reorganization under chapter 11. The plan is premised on the Bankruptcy Court's approval of a proposed settlement agreement resolving numerous disputes among Parent and its bankrupt subsidiary, the corporation that purchased substantially all of Sub's assets, and the FDIC.
The existing outstanding stock of Parent will be cancelled on the effective date of the plan, and it is currently contemplated that new common shares of reorganized Parent will be issued to certain claimholders. The plan also provides for the establishment of a liquidating trust. At the time that the private letter ruling (PLR) was issued, ignoring any possible recovery on the receiver's claims, the outstanding debt of Sub exceeds its assets, and Sub is expected to remain insolvent.
Parent has an adjusted tax basis in its Sub stock of at least an undisclosed amount, Sub continues to be a member of Parent's group, and Parent has not claimed a worthless stock deduction with respect to the Sub stock under Reg. § 1.1502-80(c) .
Parent expects to recognize its loss from its Sub stock no later than the cancellation of such stock upon the winding-up of the Sub receivership. But, Parent may seek to abandon its stock interest in Sub at an earlier time, in which case Parent will recognize the loss at the time of abandonment. Conclusion. IRS determined that, provided all the requirements for claiming a worthless securities deduction are met,
Parent may claim an ordinary loss for its basis in Sub's stock. Parent represented that the stock would be worthless under Code Sec. 165(g)(1) at the time specified in Reg. § 1.1502-80(c) , and IRS concluded that Parent met the affiliation requirements under Code Sec. 165(g)(3) where it satisfied both the ownership test and the gross receipts test.
The ownership test was readily met based on facts that (i) Parent directly owned all of the stock in Sub, (ii) Parent didn't elect under Reg. § 1.597-4(g) to disaffiliate Sub, and (iii) Sub would continue to be an affiliate until it was liquidated or until Parent abandoned its stock. IRS then examined the language and legislative history of Code Sec. 165(g)(3)(B) and determined that the interest on and gains from the sale of Sub's real estate and consumer loans were active receipts for purposes of applying the gross receipts test. IRS reasoned that the gross receipts test was intended to be a mechanism for determining whether a subsidiary is an operating company (for which an ordinary loss may be allowed) or a holding company (for which no ordinary loss is allowed), and Sub was clearly an operating company that performed significant services in conjunction with the banking transactions that yielded interest income and gain. IRS found that the legislative history of Code Sec. 582(c) further indicates that, for operating banks, gains from transactions involving items of indebtedness are more appropriately treated as yielding ordinary income since these items are akin to inventory or stock items. Thus, IRS reasoned that such gains from such transactions shouldn't be treated as passive for purposes of Code Sec. 165(g)(3)(B) . § 165 Losses.
Parent has until last day of Tax YEAR 2012 to realize the Ordinary Loss on the Books of the WMIH
Until then... WE WAIT !!! Sorry it was so long, but it is important that we look ahead and not back.
~Don~
JPMorgan Chase & Co. (JPM) (JPM) Chief Executive Officer Jamie Dimon adds insight to the Federal Reserve Bank of New York board, said Tom Wilson, the Allstate Corp. CEO who previously was a director at the Chicago district bank.
“Jamie Dimon is a talented executive who knows a tremendous amount about financial services,” Wilson said today in a phone interview after the annual meeting of Allstate, the largest publicly traded U.S. home and auto insurer. “If it met his objectives and the objectives of the New York Fed board, then they should continue the relationship.”
Elizabeth Warren, a Democrat running for U.S. Senate from Massachusetts, has called for Dimon’s removal from the New York Fed board after he disclosed a $2 billion trading loss by his bank on May 10. Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner has said having bankers on the board of the New York Fed creates a “perception” problem.
There are 12 regional reserve banks that oversee financial institutions in their districts and whose presidents serve on the policy-setting Federal Open Market Committee. The New York Fed chief has a permanent role on the panel, and other district bank presidents vote on a rotating basis. Wilson said the Chicago Fed benefited from the perspective of bankers.
“It creates a better dialogue and decision-making process,” Wilson said. “I found that the input and insight of the bankers were helpful to our dialogue as a Fed board, in terms of what we voted on.”
Trading Loss
Dimon is one of three bankers sitting on the board of the New York Fed, as required by the Federal Reserve Act of 1913. The 2010 Dodd-Frank Act ended the practice of banker directors having a vote in electing regional presidents, a move that New York Fed President William C. Dudley said in a September interview that he supported.
Dimon announced his bank’s trading loss two months after New York-based JPMorgan, the biggest U.S. lender by assets, passed a Fed stress test that put its loans and securities through a scenario of economic turmoil.
Wilson stepped down from the Chicago Fed last year as a result of Northbrook, Illinois-based Allstate (ALL) (ALL) owning a thrift holding company at the time. His departure was to avoid issues that might arise as the regulator assumed responsibility for such thrifts, according to the Chicago Fed’s website. Wilson was one the Chicago Fed’s three so-called Class C directors, selected by the board to represent the public.
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-05-22/...allstate-s-wilson-says
http://www.deutsche-mittelstands-nachrichten.de/2012/05/42748/
am ende bitten sie GS zur Übernahme der schlechten sp.Banken für 1.9Mrd. - rest bekannt
keine ahnung ob die so naiv in Spanien sind od. ob hier Vorsatz eine Rolle spielt.
"dass Goldman Sachs immer wieder Wetten gegen Europa und die europäischen Banken empfiehlt, scheint für die spanische Regierung kein Problem zu sein."
Da taucht ein Vergleich unter anderem auf, eine Milliarde in 500 ter Euroscheinen wäre 180 Kilometer hoch. Konnte leider nicht nachmessen, weil, habe nicht soviel. Scherzchen aber ich finde um das Finanzsystem zu verstehen oder besser ein wenig Einblick zu gewinnen oder durchzublicken, kann der Beitrag sehr hilfreich sein.
Prof. Dr.Dr. Wolfgang Berger denke sogar das war in 2010 als er das ausführte.
Alles Gute damit
der charly
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1Ks_CAbL4ro
http://www.kccllc.net/documents/0812229/0812229120521000000000004.pdf
10192; ection to Have Appeal Heard by District Court
http://www.kccllc.net/documents/0812229/0812229120521000000000003.pdf
10193; Emergency Motion of MBS Plaintiffs Pursuant to Bankruptcy Rule 8005 for Stay Pending Appeal of Order Denying MBS Plaintiffs' Motion to Classify Asserted Class Claim as a Class 12 Claim, Finding Proofs of Claim Nos. 4064 and 4069 Prematurely Filed by the MBS Plaintiffs, and Granting WMI Liquidating Trust Authority to Release the Reserve in Connection Therewith
wurde schon 2x gepostet, stelle es trotzdem rein
http://www.kccllc.net/documents/0812229/0812229120521000000000002.pdf
10194; Motion to Shorten Notice for Emergency Motion of MBS Plaintiffs for Stay Pending Appeal
http://www.kccllc.net/documents/0812229/0812229120521000000000001.pdf
10195; Summary and Thirty Fifth Monthly Application of Miller & Chevalier Chartered for Allowance of Compensation for Services Rendered and Reimbursement of Expenses as Special Tax Counsel to the Debtors and Debtors in Possession for the Period March 1, 2012 Through March 19, 2012
http://www.kccllc.net/documents/0812229/0812229120521000000000005.pdf
10196; Forty-Second and Final Monthly Application of Pepper Hamilton LLP, Co-Counsel to the Official Committee of Unsecured Creditors, for Compensation and Reimbursement of Expenses Incurred for the Period March 1, 2012 Through March 19, 2012
http://www.kccllc.net/documents/0812229/0812229120521000000000007.pdf
10197; Notice of Filing of Forty-Second and Final Monthly Application of Pepper Hamilton LLP, Co-Counsel to the Official Committee of Unsecured Creditors, for Compensation and Reimbursement of Expenses Incurred for the Period March 1, 2012 Through March 19, 2012
http://www.kccllc.net/documents/0812229/0812229120521000000000006.pdf
10198; Thirty-Ninth Monthly Application of Weil, Gotshal & Manges LLP, as Attorneys for the Debtors, for Allowance of Compensation for Professional Services Rendered and for Reimbursement of Actual and Necessary Expenses Incurred from February 1, 2012 Through March 19, 2012
http://www.kccllc.net/documents/0812229/0812229120521000000000009.pdf
10199; Summary Sheet and Supplemental Application of Pachulski Stang Ziehl & Jones LLP for Services Rendered and Reimbursement of Expenses as Counsel to the Ad Hoc Group of WMB Senior Noteholders
http://www.kccllc.net/documents/0812229/0812229120521000000000008.pdf
10200; Clerk's Notice Regarding Filing of Appeal
http://www.kccllc.net/documents/0812229/0812229120522000000000001.pdf
Na ja, wenn man mit guter Laune und Heißhunger gerne alles esen möchte - nun ist erst mal wieder Brei angesagt und das geliebte Eis gestrichen.
Ich bin überzeugt, in 2 Tagen ist es auch wieder anders.
Die OP ist gut gelaufen - alles andere - wait and see - wird schon werden,
Ich habe da noch eine Brokerumfarge:
Mööööönsch keine 100 Leute wollen da mitmachen - traurig
Brokerumfrage:
http://de.unitedintlequity.org/
Dann weiter - hier klicken - Brokerumfrage.
Gewünschte Form auswählen - ausfüllen - abschicken.
Adresse steht auf dem Dokument.