Cegedim (WKN:895036)
Ich weiß natürlich nicht ob der Google Übersetzer das richtig übersetzt, aber hört sich irgendwie alles so an als sind das gefrustete Kleinaktionäre, die noch weniger sinnvoll analysieren als das in deutschen Foren der Fall ist. Bei Cegedim kann ich das ja noch verstehen , aber bei Claranova wird ja auch kein gutes Haar an PlanetArt Verkauf und am Management gelassen.
Subject: Critical Investor Questions on Strategic Direction, Margin Development, and Capital Structure at Cegedim
Dear Sir or Madam,
Dear Mr. Buffet,
Since my last letter in spring 2024, Cegedim’s share price has significantly underperformed the broader market and peer software-and-services companies. This persistent underperformance—despite solid operational progress—is deeply disappointing. I continue to believe in the value-creation potential of your business model; however, there is a lack of a clearly communicated strategy and visible commitment to sustainably improving the share price. Investor relations appear reactive and insufficiently ambitious—many long-term shareholders feel there is no continuous engagement or genuine interest in fostering lasting investor relationships.
In light of the 2024 Annual Report (Revenue: €654.5 million / +6.3%; Recurring Operating Income: €39.5 million / 6.0% margin) and the Q1 2025 Update (Revenue Q1: €161.3 million / +4.5% LFL; Recurring EBIT benefit from INPS exit: +€5 million), I kindly request concrete responses to the following topics:
1. Share Price Performance & Value Drivers
How does management explain the disconnect between operational improvements and the disappointing share price performance?
Which investor-relations initiatives (e.g., investor events, roadshows, targeted communications) are planned to restore market confidence and eliminate the valuation discount?
2. Outlook for 2025/2026 & Margin Targets
You guide for 2–4% like-for-like revenue growth in 2025, accompanied by further margin expansion.
a) What EBIT margin targets do you specifically aim for in 2025 and 2026 and in the longer run?
b) Over what timeline do you intend to approach the industry-standard margin levels of leading software peers (e.g., 12–15%)?
c) Which strategic measures are required to ensure the market no longer perceives Cegedim as a structurally low-margin provider?
3. Cegedim Santé & Visiodent
The break-even target for Cegedim Santé remains set for 2025.
a) Is the break-even trajectory still on track (e.g., contribution per user, adoption trends of the Maiia platform)?
b) What quantitative margin contribution do you expect from the Visiodent integration by mid-2025? Are there further M&A opportunities planned in the healthcare segment?
4. Pharmacy Software “Nouvel Espace de Vente” (NEV)
NEV was launched to regain market share in the French pharmacy software market.
a) How many pharmacies have implemented NEV to date, and what is the average contribution margin per installation?
b) From which quarter do you expect a material EBIT contribution from this solution?
5. UK Strategy Post-INPS Exit
What are the current remaining burdens in the UK segment, particularly related to the still-restructured pharmacy business or transitional costs following the INPS exit?
From when does management anticipate the remaining UK operations (including Scotland) will contribute positively to consolidated operating income?
6. Capital Allocation, Interest Burden & Financial Strategy
Is there a medium-term strategy to reduce interest expenses (e.g., via targeted deleveraging, refinancing, or proceeds from divesting non-core businesses)?
Has the Board discussed structural measures—such as segment divestitures or joint-venture models—to strengthen the balance sheet?
Cegedim generated a robust €185 million free cash flow in 2024. How will these funds be prioritized among M&A, product development (e.g., Santé, AI), and debt reduction? What role does deleveraging play in your capital-allocation framework?
7. Investor Relations & Transparency
Will the segment disclosures presented in the annual report be maintained in future quarterly reports?
Are you planning regular webcasts, analyst calls, or roadshows to professionalize capital-market engagement and build investor trust?
8. Cost Control, Productivity & AI Investments
What specific measures were implemented in 2024 to reduce the structural cost base (e.g., workforce optimization, process digitization, IT streamlining)?
What medium-term efficiency levers do you foresee (e.g., scalable cloud services, centralized back-office functions)?
Is there an internal KPI system (e.g., revenue or EBIT per employee) to track productivity gains?
How does management balance AI investment needs (e.g., within Cegedim Business Services) against margin preservation? What measures ensure that new technology initiatives do not become a disproportionate cost burden?
Closing Remarks
Cegedim possesses an attractive product portfolio and a capable management team. My questions aim to bridge the gap between operational performance and market valuation through clear targets, disciplined execution, and transparent communication. I look forward to your detailed responses and to a constructive, long-term dialogue that strengthens shareholder confidence.
Thank you for your time and your commitment to this exchange.
Sincerely,
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Ich komm zwar auf die IR Seite, aber alle Links dort werden nicht geöffnet bzw. da kommt ne Fehlermeldung. Kann daher seit Wochen keine Finanzberichte/Präsentationen mehr ansehen.
Ist das bei euch auch so? Manchmal kann es ja an meinen Browsereinstellungen etc liegen, aber das Problem hab ich nur bei Cegedim.
meine Erfahrung ist ja, dass IR bzw. Vorstand solche sehr langen Mail ungern beantworten, es sei denn sie bieten ein Telefongespräch an.
Aer an sich alles gute Fragen, wobei ich immernoch nicht verstehe wie du auf einen freien Cashflow von 185 Mio kommst, den du in Frage 6 eingebunden hast.
Ich würde manche Fragen konkreter stellen, weil bei so generellen Fragen, wie man sich die Kapitalallokation vorstellt, Buffet dann doch sehr ausholen müsste. Deshalb widerstrebt es Managern oft, solche Fragen zu beantworten, da es sehr lange dauern würde oder man sonst einfach nur allgemeine Aussagen aus alten Berichten in die Mail kopiert.
Aber soll keine Kritik sein. Find ich gut, dass du das angehst.
Ich find die operative Entwicklung alles andere als gut, auch wenn die Marge zuletzt endlich gestiegen ist und man sich von der UK Tochter (zwangweise) trennen musste, was letztlich die Marge hebt.
Aber man hat eine Rekordverschuldung bei Rekorszinsen, und das in einem Umfeld sinkender EZB Leitzinsen. Da muss was passieren.
Das ist der korrigierte Text:
Subject: Critical Investor Questions on Strategy, Margins, Capital Structure, and Shareholder Value at Cegedim
Dear Sir or Madam,
Dear Mr. Buffet,
Since my last letter in spring 2024, Cegedim’s share price has continued to underperform the broader market and peer companies in the software and services sector. The share is now trading at a 20-year low—a clear signal of deep investor disappointment. However, this is not merely a matter of market misperception: the operational development itself has also been inadequate in several key areas.
While margins have improved slightly and the exit from the loss-making UK subsidiary has relieved earnings, this move was not a strategic choice but a forced necessity. At the same time, the company is facing historically high debt levels and rising interest expenses—despite the broader trend of declining ECB rates. In its current form, Cegedim’s capital structure and operating model do not appear future-proof and call for immediate corrective measures.
I continue to see strong potential in Cegedim’s business model. However, without a clear and compelling strategy, disciplined financial execution, and a credible investor dialogue, this potential remains untapped. Many long-term investors still experience the IR approach as reactive and lacking ambition—falling short of what is needed to rebuild trust and unlock valuation.
In light of the 2024 Annual Report (Revenue: €654.5 million / +6.3%; Recurring Operating Income: €39.5 million / 6.0% margin) and the Q1 2025 update (Revenue Q1: €161.3 million / +4.5% LFL; recurring EBIT improvement from INPS exit: +€5 million), I respectfully ask for your response to the following topics:
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1. Share Price Performance & Value Drivers
How does management explain the disconnect between operational progress and the share price performance?
What short- and medium-term IR initiatives (e.g., investor events, roadshows, targeted market communication) are planned to restore market confidence and reduce the persistent valuation discount?
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2. Outlook for 2025/2026 & Margin Targets
You guide for like-for-like revenue growth of 2–4% in 2025 and further margin improvement.
a) What EBIT margin targets are you specifically aiming for in 2025 and 2026 and in the long run?
b) Over what timeframe do you plan to approach industry-standard EBIT margins of leading software peers (e.g., 12–15%)?
c) What strategic measures are being taken to ensure that Cegedim is no longer perceived as a structurally low-margin business?
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3. Cegedim Santé & Visiodent
The break-even target for Cegedim Santé remains set for 2025.
a) Is the break-even trajectory still on track (e.g., user-level contribution margin, growth of the Maiia platform)?
b) What specific EBIT contribution is expected from the Visiodent integration by mid-2025? Are further M&A opportunities in the healthcare segment under consideration?
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4. Pharmacy Software “Nouvel Espace de Vente” (NEV)
NEV is intended to regain market share in the French pharmacy software segment.
a) How many pharmacies have implemented NEV to date, and what is the average contribution margin per installation?
b) From which quarter do you expect a material EBIT contribution from this solution?
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5. UK Strategy Post-INPS Exit
What are the remaining burdens in the UK segment—particularly regarding the restructured pharmacy software business or transitional costs related to the INPS exit?
When does management expect the remaining UK operations (including Scotland) to contribute positively to consolidated operating income?
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6. Capital Allocation, Interest Burden & Financial Strategy
High debt and elevated interest expenses continue to weigh on earnings and limit financial flexibility.
Is there a mid-term strategy to reduce interest burden, e.g., through refinancing, targeted deleveraging, or proceeds from non-core divestments?
Has the Board discussed strategic balance sheet measures, such as segment divestitures or minority partnerships, to create additional flexibility?
When does management expect to see a meaningful improvement in free cash flow, such that available funds can be reliably deployed for investments, debt reduction, or potential shareholder returns?
How does Cegedim currently prioritize capital allocation—especially among product development (e.g., Maiia, AI), M&A, and debt repayment?
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7. IR Communication, Transparency & Website Accessibility
Will the segment breakdown presented in the annual report be maintained in future quarterly reports?
Are regular webcasts, analyst calls, or roadshows planned to strengthen capital market communications and rebuild investor confidence?
In addition, there are ongoing technical issues with your corporate website—financial reports and documents are frequently unavailable or the site fails to load reliably. For a publicly listed company of this size, this is clearly unacceptable. What steps is Cegedim taking to ensure stable, transparent, and professional digital access for investors?
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8. Cost Control, Productivity & AI Investments
What concrete measures have been implemented in 2024 to reduce the structural cost base, including personnel, IT, and general expenses?
What efficiency gains are being targeted in the medium term (e.g., through scalable cloud services or centralized back-office processes)?
Is there an internal KPI framework (e.g., revenue or EBIT per employee) to monitor productivity improvements?
How does management ensure that AI-related investments (e.g., in Cegedim Business Services) are cost-efficient and do not generate disproportionate fixed costs, while still strengthening innovation and competitive positioning?
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Closing Remarks
Cegedim has a strong product foundation and an long-term management team. The purpose of this letter is to help close the gap between operational performance and equity valuation—through clear targets, effective execution, and a transparent dialogue with investors. I look forward to your comprehensive answers and to a constructive exchange that helps strengthen long-term shareholder confidence.
Thank you for your time and your engagement.
Sincerely,
Zuvor waren die Calls auf Französich, damit waren wir raus. Ich hatte zu Beginn Herrn Buffet angeschrieben, dass sie die Calls dringend wieder auf Englisch machen müssen. Das wurde sofort umgesetzt. Außerdem ist Herr Labrune Senior jetzt auch im Call und gibt sich alle Mühe alle Fragen auf Englisch zu beantworten.
Neulich hatte ich Herrn Buffet mit ein paar Fragen um ein Gespräch geboten. Er hat am gleichen Tag zurückgerufen und wir haben mindestens 1/2 Stunde telefoniert (Gespräch in Englisch).
Ich finde den neuen IR schon gut. Man muss ihn halt einfach mal anschreiben oder anrufen.
Dass sich da nichts verbessert hat gegenüber seinem Vorgänger finde ich nicht fair.
Cegedim ist halt in einer Transformationsphase. Wenn die positiv abgeschlossen wird, dann wird auch der Kurs wieder steigen können
Gruß,
Johannes
Kann schon ein Wendepunkt sein.
An der Börse bedeutet es, aus dem Ask zu kaufen, dass du Wertpapiere zum Briefkurs erwirbst. Der Ask-Preis ist der niedrigste Preis, zu dem ein Verkäufer bereit ist, ein Wertpapier zu verkaufen.
Das sollte Hoffnung auf steigende Kurse machen.
Meine Stücke wurden direkt aufgekauft. Dies wäre in den letzten Tagen bzw. Wochen niemals passiert.
Mich wundert bei dieser Aktie gar nix mehr ….
Breakeven ist bei mir ca. 16€. Wird noch ein weiter Weg bis dahin.
Für langfristig bin ich vermutlich schon zu alt. Werds wohl vererben …… aber immerhin habe ich auch aus Cegedim gelernt, fallende Aktien nicht zu lange zu halten, sondern mit ca. 15 Prozent minus raus zu gehen, hat mich erfolgreicher werden lassen.