Trading Bougainville Copper (ADRs) 867948

Die Berechnungen der Lo`s sind noch etwas genauer ;-)))

http://www.buysellsignals.net/bcllandowners/Newsletter.do

.....zu Zeiten eines Präsidenten Tanis hier auf dem Board als wirksame Möglichkeit, ehemalige Konfliktteilnehmer in den Prozess zur Weiterentwicklung ABG mit einzubeziehen diskuiert. So etwas sehe ich als wichtigen Fortschritt der Mut macht ;d)))))))



Quelle:

www.thenational.com.pg/?q=node/43605


Former fighters, auxiliaries used in B’ville ops
The National, Tuesday 08th January, 2013

FOR the first time, ex-combatants and Community Auxiliary Police (CAP) were engaged in special police operations for the festive period in the Autonomous Region of Bougainville.
Assistant commissioner of police in the region, Thomas Eluh, said the 14-day operation began on Dec 24 and ended on Monday.
Eluh said the operations discovered there were fewer problems related to homebrew and unlawful use of firearms during the festive period last year compared to previous years.
He said, even though there was a shortage of manpower with 179 police officers who were evenly distributed throughout the region, the successful liaison with the Bougainville government enabled the use of ex-combatants and CAPs.
He said the ex-combatants and CAPs were used in the districts of South, North and Central Bougainville.
Eluh said former Bougainville Revolutionary Army member, Ishmael Toroama helped out in the operation with manpower and logistics.
He said in the previous years, police encountered problems with homebrew and guns but last year was different with no reports of such activities taking place.
Eluh thanked all stakeholders that played a key role in the operations in ensuring there was peace and harmony in the communities.
He said many communities held reconciliation ceremonies.
In other reports, police confiscated two pistols and live ammunition from a police reservist in Bougainville after he discharged it last Friday.
The officer was reportedly angry after his son’s body was found on Saturday and discharged the firearm. The son had drowned earlier in the week.
This year will be Eluh’s third year as ACP Bougainville.
He is proud in revamping the force in the region, which he said, was in disarray when he first joined them two years ago.
He has plans to improve housing for the officers and provide more training and have an exchange programme with police in East New Britain.
Eluh said officers found to be unlawfully breaking laws would be sacked.  

- "...als ob sich zumindest Taiwanesische Investoren von dem gejammere hier  an board nicht sonderlich beeindrucken lassen ;d))))))  und rechtzeitig  positioniert sein wollen. Respekt."

Richtig, es gibt wahrlich keinen Grund, hier an Bord ständig weiter über Reisfarmen und das Cocoa rehabilitation program auf Bougainville zu jammern. Zum Glück lassen sich taiwanesische Investoren davon nicht sonderlich beeindrucken und wollen bei diesbezüglichen landwirtschaftlichen Programmen rechtzeitig positioniert sein.

Es soll übrigens angeblich das Gerücht gehen, dass diese Investoren anscheinend eventuell möglicherweise vielleicht gewisse Teile der in den letzten Tagen gehandelten BCL-Aktien gekauft haben sollen … also … wenn sich das bewahrheiten sollte … das könnte echt Mut machen …

 

 

"...Es soll übrigens angeblich das Gerücht gehen, dass diese Investoren anscheinend eventuell möglicherweise vielleicht gewisse Teile der in den letzten Tagen gehandelten BCL-Aktien gekauft haben sollen … also … wenn sich das bewahrheiten sollte … das könnte echt Mut machen … "

da der Kurs sich nicht bewegt, hat es ja zumindest genauso viel Verkäufer gegeben ... mich würde wirklich interessieren wer diese gerüchte in die welt setzt, aber vielleicht glaubt dies ja tatsächlich jemand der dies glaubt ...  

B`ville wird von den meisten immer noch als Krisengebiet u. Highrisk Invest angesehen.

Somit sorgt alles was die Inselwirtschaft voran bringt u. Arbeitsplätze schafft für eine immer weitergehende Entspannung der Lage.

BOC bzw. RIO hätten ohne konkrete Intentionen einer Wiedereröffnung kaum einen 3 Jahresplan vorgestellt u. für x Mill. AUD die Hatch-Studie in Auftrag gegeben.

Leider ist die Wiedereröffnung der Pangunamine politisch mit dem B`viller Referendum nach Unabhängigkeit verquickt was in der Vergangenheit zu diversen Bremsmanövern aus PNG geführt hat.

Ob Druck aus AU auf O`Neill gewirkt hat die BOC Lizenzen zu verlängern u. die Gelder an Boug. zu überweisen lässt sich schwer abschätzen.

Alles in Allem stimmt die Richtung,negative Neuigkeiten gab es in den letzten Jahren Keine (abgesehen von der Ueberraschung der Einstellung des ADR Programms), da sollten "kleine Verzögerungen" nicht ins Gewicht fallen. ;-)))))

Mir ging und geht es an dieser Stelle um die Frage, ob es redlich ist, Unterstützung bei landwirtschaftlichen Entwicklungen mit einem „Rechzeitig-positioniert-sein-Wollen“ taiwanesischer Investoren bei BCL zu verquicken oder sogar gleichzusetzen. Denn wo sonst sollten sie bei einer solchen Aussage rechtzeitig positioniert sein wenn nicht bei BCL? Beim Reisanbau??? Beim Kakaoprogramm??? Das glauben wir doch wohl beide nicht.

Zollen wir den Taiwanesen also meinetwegen gerne Respekt, dass sie sich möglicherweise in der Landwirtschaft engagieren wollen, aber erwecken wir nicht den Eindruck, als hätten sie deshalb die Absicht, großformatig in das Spiel einzusteigen, das wir hier seit langem „mitspielen“.

 

In manchem stimmen wir überein, Nekro –  so ganz gewiss auch darin, dass, wie Du selbst schreibst, "B`ville von den meisten immer noch als Krisengebiet u. Highrisk Invest angesehen wird". Denn dies ist DIE schwerwiegende und alles überschattende negative Prämisse, die weder in den vergangenen Jahren beseitigt werden konnte noch in den nächsten Wochen oder Monaten zu beseitigen sein wird. Umso mehr wünschte ich mir, dass Du an dieser Stelle mal meinen Gedanken aufgegriffen hättest mit dem Versuch Deiner Einschätzung – meine Frage nämlich, wie groß denn die Wahrscheinlichkeit (gerne auch in Prozent) ist, dass „during the next months the share price will soar to AUD 3 or more!" Oder gibt es einen gewichtigen Grund, sich dazu besser nicht zu äußern?

Auch Deiner Einlassung, die politische Verquickung der Wiedereröffnung der Pangunamine mit dem B'viller Referendum nach Unabhängigkeit sei ein gern genutzter Bremsklotz PNGs, kann ich vorbehaltlos zustimmen. Ob dieses Referendum unbedingt auf dem ursprünglich geplanten Punkt der Zeitleiste stattfinden muss, ist in der Diskussion. Sollte dieser Zeitpunkt tatsächlich gekippt werden, werden wir hier von ganz neuen zeitlichen Dimensionen auch für ein mögliches Reopening Pangunas sprechen.

So, und nun können wieder all diejenigen, die ein wenig dazu neigen, Teile der (Börsen-)Wirklichkeit auszublenden, mit Totschlag-„Argumenten“ wie „Gejammere“ o. ä. aufwarten. Bevor ich wieder für ’ne Weile in der Versenkung verschwinde, antworte ich zumindest für meinen Teil darauf prophylaktisch: Ich glaube nicht, dass es hier sehr viele gibt, die a) länger und b) stärker in BCL investiert sind. Ich glaube aber ebenso wenig, dass ich mir den vor uns liegenden, imho langen Zeitraum bis zur teilweisen „Reife“ mit Kursen von mehreren AUD immer wieder schönreden oder schönschreiben sollte. Diese Art von Wunschdenken ist in den letzten Jahren massenweise ad absurdum geführt worden, und so wird es auch in diesem Jahr sein. Am 31. Dezember 2013 lasse ich mich gerne mit diesem Satz zitieren …

             

In diesem Sinne schönen Abend, schöne Woche, schönen Restjanuar!

   

PS: Deine Einschätzung in o. g. Frage würde ich in jedem Fall irgendwann noch gerne lesen …

 

 

Es ist scheinbar niemanden aufgefalle­n, dass es verschiede­ne Versionen dieses Plans gibt. Die bei der ASX eingereich­te Version ist etwas konserativ­er.

http://www­.asx.com.a­u/asx/stat­istics/...y=pdf­&idsId=­01224012

Ich denke aber, dass der in #10394 gezeigte Zeitplan durchaus realistisc­h sein dürfte, da wir ja gut im Zeitplan liegen.  

Nog een keer in Übersicht ...416

http://www.ariva.de/forum/...ville-Copper-ADRs-867948-304728?page=415  

...mit dieser Bemerkung wollte der Verfasser (also ich ;d)))) darauf hinweisen das  INVESTOREN  auf Bougainville investieren wollen.                                                                                    Investitionen in BOC (BCL) also share Käufe sind hier hinein interpretiert. Aber, zugegeben, der Fehler wurde vom Verfasser (also von mir ;d)))) gemacht, da dies nicht deutlicher für den Leser herausgearbeitet wurde und so womöglich der Eindruch entstand, das hier eine Aktie gepusht werden soll.  
Sorry B. ,wird nicht wieder vorkommen. Versprochen ;d)))).  

seit BCL das neue Boardmitglied von Rio Tinto zur Verfügung gestellt wurde gab es fast nur noch Verkäufe ins BID,seit dem sind wir von fast 0,80 AUD auf 0,60 AUD gefallen,ist sehr schön im Chart zu erkennen
benannt wurde das neue Boardmitglied am 9.August 2012

ZUFALL???  

...wenn es keine käufer gibt ....  

B’ville not fully autonomous
Quelle: Post Courier, 9.1.2013 -> Letters

BOUGAINVILLE gained its autonomy status in 2005 after its own constitution, “the Constitution of the Autonomous Region Of Bougainville” came into effect in 2004. The Bougainville Constitution established certain Constitutional Offices like the Bougainville Public Service Commission, CS, Police, Ombudsman Commission, Public Solicitors office, Public Prosecutors Office and the Judicial Service.

Up until now, except for the police, the National Government has not transferred any of their powers to Bougainville. The reason being that Bougainville has not requested the transfer of the powers from the National Government in relation to those key Constitutional Offices in Bougainville. Under the Bougainville Constitution, the Bougainville Government is required to give a 12 month notice to the PNG Government requesting powers to be transferred. If the Bougainville Government does not request a particular power to be transferred, the National Government is not obliged to transfer that power.

Certain powers (not all) have already been transferred by way of delegation to the Bougainville Government by the National Government are only in the areas of education, health, fisheries, mining, works, lands and physical planning.

The Bougainville Government may be of the view that there is no need to request the National Government to transfer those powers and that there is no need for those powers to be transferred.
The Constitutional Office established under the Constitution of Bougainville does not mean that a power in relation to that particular office has already been transferred. There is no Bougainville Public Service Commission, there is no Bougainville CS, there is no Bougainville Public Solicitors Office, there is no Bougainville Ombudsman Commission, etc.

If the Bougainville Constitution has already established these Offices, where are the Bougainville laws that will give effect to the Bougainville Constitution? The transfer of all powers available to Bougainville can only be effected through “delegation of powers” under an Act of Parliament and through “legislation.” Only when Bougainville passes its own laws in relation to all powers available to be transferred, including Constitutional offices, can Bougainville be seen to be fully autonomous. That is the time when people in Bougainville will cease to apply PNG Laws and apply their own laws in dealing with their own affairs. We need more draftsmen to assist in the drafting of Bougainville laws.

At the moment, we do not know how many Bougainville laws, the House of Representative in Buka has passed. If we are facing a shortage of legal draftsmen in Bougainville to draft Bougainville laws, why can’t the Bougainville Government request assistance from the State Solicitors Office at Waigani for some legal officers to be sent to Bougainville on secondment?

The spirit of the Bougainville Peace Agreement was to have a fully Autonomous Bougainville Government enter referendum between 2015 and 2020. The question is, do we have a fully Autonomous Government in place and getting ready for referendum? Is “real autonomy” working in Bougainville?
We hope that in the coming JSB meeting this year, members of JSB both the National Government and the Bougainville Government should be more critical in their discussions to address this issue of “making autonomy work’” before the referendum is conducted.

Joel Nava Minsipi, NCD  

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10:00:12    0.6000   15,000   9,000  

http://www.postcourier.com.pg/20130110/thhome.htm

By WINTERFORD TOREAS

BOUGAINVILLE President Chief John Momis says the national government has breached its contract with his government by not paying what it owes to his people.
In a recent press conference the president warned that if the national government fails to honour its commitment by paying restoration and development grants to the Autonomous Bougainville Government (ABG), he will be taking the matter to court to decide on this issue.
Mr Momis said the national government owes ABG a large sum of money in non-payment of restoration and development grants.
“The National government has been underpaying the ABG over the past years and has not been honouring its commitment,” he said.
“The restoration and development grants are the only discretionary grants that the ABG has. For a long time the national government has been underpaying us by huge amounts of money,” Mr Momis said.
He said this payment should always be drawn down to the ABG coffers as agreed under the Bougainville Peace Agreement of 2001.
He said by not paying the ABG its dues, the national government was not only breaching a binding agreement but a contractual law signed between the two governments.
He added that the PNG Constitution had been amended to cater for this law.
According to this agreement, the national government is supposed to release a certain amount of funds to the ABG yearly.
“The National Government should be paying ABG every year a certain percentage from the increase of the PIP…but the national government has only been giving us K15 million, which is not right,” President Momis said.
The President said apart from its recurrent budget, the ABG was also only receiving K15 million in grants from the national government.
He further added that the K500 million to be given to the ABG over a five-year period was
a conditional grant and already earmarked for big impact projects on Bougainville.
Mr Momis said if the ABG was given all its entitlements as promised, his government would be in a better position to fund all the high impact projects that they want to develop.
 

http://www.postcourier.com.pg/20130110/thhome.htm

By WINTERFORD TOREAS

ONE of the biggest obstacles hindering the Autonomous Bougainville Government (ABG) from effectively carrying out its functions and responsibilities is the government system currently in place.
ABG President Chief Dr John Momis, while delivering his Christmas and New Year message to the people of Bougainville, said this government system was totally inadequate because it was meant for provincial governments and not for places like Bougainville that had already gained autonomy.
“The system that is operating is totally inadequate. It has been tailored in the provincial government system. It is not designed to handle increased autonomous powers and responsibilities,” President Momis said.
In order to rectify this, the ABG has been working very hard since last year with the Bougainville administration to develop a system that can handle the autonomy arrangement.
He said a consultant was tasked last year by the ABG to look into the capacity development strategy of the ABG.
This was important because the administration, as the machinery of the government, was supposed to be implementing the visions of the government. However, this has been lacking on Bougainville.
“Other provinces are only using the national government laws and policies and they are implementing.
“They are mere service deliverers. ABG is not a mere service provider. It is a government to build new vision (and) law to empower the people of Bougainville,” Mr Momis said.
The capacity development strategy report has already been given to the ABG, and has already been approved by the Bougainville Executive Council.
This report is expected to be implemented this year.
Once implemented, the ABG will be able to fully carry out its duties.
The government machinery, which is the public service, will also be able to carry out its duties.
However, Mr Momis said once implemented this would also lead to financial constraints faced by the ABG.

Jedesmal ein Trade von 10 oder 15K

Warum dann gesplittet? ;-))))

Zitat aus 14137
Under the Bougainville Constitution, the Bougainville Government is required to give a 12 month notice to the PNG Government requesting powers to be transferred.

Da das AGB nur eine Teilautonomie hat, so hab ich das verstanden, dauert es ein Jahr nach Anforderung um beispielsweise die Mining-Power zu übertragen.

Ausserdem entnehme ich dem Text das unsere Insel nichtselber gesetzgeberisch tätig werden kann. Bei dieser Rechtsunsicherheit ist es kein Wunder das nichts voran geht von Seiten RIO's.
Käme es zwischen 2015 und 2020 zur Autonomie dann dauert es sicher noch ein paar Jahre bis die entsprechenden Verträge zwischen RIO und dem AGB geschlossen sind. Dann nochmals mindestens ein, zwei Jahre bis das Equipment, die Powerstation, Wasserversorgung, Housing-Projekt und anderes beschafft und aufgebaut ist.
Bitte nicht als Pessimissmus meinerseits verstehen. Ich hab vor mehr als 20 Jahren die ersten BOC gekauft und bin eigentlich optimistisch, nur ist das mit Drittweltländern so eine Sache, das weiß ich aus eigener Erfahrung.  

............die Mining-Power zu übertragen.

Die Anforderung wurde schon vor weit über 1 Jahr gestellt, der Transfert ist also überfällig.

Auch die Weltbank hat bestätigt dass die B`viller MRA (Mineral Resources Authority) nach dem x Mill. Trainingsprogramm "Ready to go" ist.

Gründe für PNG die Miningpower nicht zu übertragen gibt es also immer weniger, beim nächsten JSB Meeting müsste es eigentlich soweit sein.

B`ville hat sich an die (miningfreundliche) PNG Gesetzgebung zu halten, das Justizwesen dürfte eine der letzten Powers sein die übertragen werden.

"Käme es zwischen 2015 und 2020 zur Autonomie"...............

Du meinst sicher zur Unabhängigkeit.

Um politisch unabhängig sein zu können ist eine finanzielle Independance die 1 Voraussetzung. Und die ist kurzfristig ohne die Wiedereröffnung der Pangunamine illusorisch.

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The 2013 Outlook on the BCL website by the extremely frustrated German shareholder Axel Sturm is the worst I have ever read in my life. Who does he think he is to allowe himself accusing people and groups without the slightest factual evidence. It is all based on vague assumptions, yet he explains the dip in the share price on the 31st of December on "fraudulent US short sellers", in my view a pathetic twist of reality. The man is not only very arrogant and unprofessional, his integrity must be questioned in the strongest way.

He also states that Bougainville should "avoid future trouble caused by conmen such as Lindsay Semple, his Morumbi gang and others". Here he really goes too far as it is an utterly misplaced and violent attack on the man who has gained more trust from landowner groups in the last few years than BCL was able to do in the past decades.

Respectful people will never profile themselves and the company they represent by continuous false and unfounded attacks on other people and companies. The fact that Axel Sturm has used this immoral tactic regularly shows he is a disrespectful person. BCL should build its case for the re-opening of Panguna on its own strengths, point.

But let me give you the recent facts. The big three day session in Parliament shortly before Christmas went very well......for Morumbi. My sources have informed me that they will get a mining license before end of Q1 on at least one of the Seven Sisters:Insinia. This is by far the most sought after asset and favoured by Vale to JV with Morumbi.

Axel Sturm's expectation that Panguna will be re-opened in the coming months is wishful thinking. He will need unanimous approval from the many landowner groups, which is clearly not the case at this very moment, if ever at all.......  

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Hi Pat,

I own shares in Morumbi and not in BOC. I have always held the view that both companies can become very succesful on the island as its natural resources are so huge. What I don't like and will fight against are the continuous violent and unfounded attacks from Axel Sturm and some others on Lindsay Semple and Morumbi. This is very unprofessional and disrespectful. Morumbi would never lower itself to such a questionable tactic. BOC and MOC should focus on their own strengths. I can imagine that a growng number of BOC shareholders are concerned by this as Mr. Sturm obviously is not doing them a favour.

I believe that Sturm is not giving a realistic outlook for BOC by stating that Panguna will be reopened in a few months time. There are still too many landowners who need to give thier approval. But in the end it will be beneficial to both comopanies if the ABG will speed up the process of implementing a mining law & policy that will respect the wishes of the islanders and at the same time open the doors to the large mining companies whose investments are se desperately needed to bring back prosperity to Bougainville.

das ist aber doch auch sehr durchsichtig, wer dahinterr stecken dürfte. gehört alles n.m.m. nicht hierher.  

Wer ist das denn ,der dahintern
steckt ..?

http://www.postcourier.com.pg/20130111/frhome.htm

Referendum on B’ville still stands: Momis

By WINTERFORD TOREAS

THE people of Bougainville will have their say on their future when they hold their referendum in three years time or later as stipulated under the Bougainville Peace Agreement (BPA).
ABG President Chief John Momis gave his people this assurance in Buka yesterday.
According to Section 191 Subsection (7) of the Bougainville Constitution, the referendum should take place not earlier than 10 years and not more than 15 years after the election of the first Bougainville Government.
Since the ABG was formed in 2005, by law the referendum should be held between 2015-2020.
Mr Momis, while commenting on the referendum issue during a recent press conference, assured that it would still be held between 2015-2020.
The president gave the assurance after many people expressed misgivings and questioned if indeed the referendum is going to take place, especially because the Bougainville Peace Agreement (BPA) has not been reviewed.
He said according to BPA, the review would only be conducted on the autonomy arrangements, and not on the referendum issue.
Mr Momis confirmed that there would be a review of the BPA, adding that a panel of experts in BPA had already been chosen to look into this issue.
The president also clarified doubts that many had regarding the achievements of the three pillars stipulated in the Bougainville Constitution that needs to be addressed before referendum can take place.These pillars include weapons disposal, fiscal self-reliance and good governance.
Mr Momis, however, still maintained his stand that regardless of whether or not Bougainville had fully achieved these pillars, the referendum would still be held between 2015-2020.
“Referendum is inevitable. It must take place,” Mr Momis said.
He said issues like weapons disposal was also very important and should be thoroughly addressed to have a gun-free society.
“Whether we are fiscally self-reliant or whether we meet the standard of good governance or not, it doesn’t matter,’’ he said.
“Referendum will still take place. But if all this doesn’t take place, it’s no use becoming independent when you don’t have the money.
“That’s why it’s important for us to generate the Government’s revenue. That’s why many of us are thinking that the Panguna mine should be re-opened because it will generate revenue and fiscal self-reliance for the population of Bougainville. If not we will be struggling,” Mr Momis said.

Wann stehen denn welche Ereignisse an in nächster Zeit?

Gibt es für das nächste JSB Meeting bereits einen Termin?  

Naja,ich denke Morumbi ist auch nicht ohne