vielleicht der nächste zock!
erst einmal ist der Ton in einem Börsenforum oftmals rauh. Nicht jeder sagt die Wahrheit, viel halten ihr "Viertelwissen" für die Bibel. Manche glauben, duch Pushen oder Bashen den Kursverlauf beeinflussen zu können.
In einem Punkt hat Stuttgarter aber recht: Nichts ist ohne Risiko - und die Chance, bei so einem Zock einer designierten Pleitefirma zu verlieren ist größer als zu gewinnen. Dazu sind die Kursschwankungen wesentlich extremer.
Und es ist schon sehr - um es freundlich zu formulieren - mutig, als allerersten Aktienkauf im Leben (wie du geschrieben hast) auf CIT zu setzen.
Noch immer KANN auch Cit wieder auf 3-4 Dollar steigen, keine Frage. Aber die Wahrscheinlichkeit, dass in den nächsten Tagen oder Wochen dann doch Chapter 11 folgt, ist größer als die Restrukturierung vor der Insolvenz.
Ich wünsche dir, der Verlust hat sich bisher in Grenzen gehalten und mit mehr Wissen von der Börse erhöhen sich zweifelsfrei die Chancen des Erfolges. Egal wie du dich verhältst, eine Regel ist auf jeden Fall immer einzuhalten: Riskiere nie mehr, als du bereit bist, verlieren zu können.
JULY 23, 2009.
CIT to Shrink to Avoid Bankruptcy Court
Lender Outlines Plans to Avoid Chapter 11, Including Sales of Healthy Units Like Utah Bank
BY SERENA NG
CIT Group Inc. on Tuesday mapped out more of its restructuring plan that, if successful, would likely reduce the beleaguered lender to a shadow of its former self.
Documents filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission detailed several steps the company plans to take as it seeks to stay out of bankruptcy court. But the century-old lender hedged the news with a strong caveat that a failure to complete any of the steps likely would lead to a Chapter 11 filing.
The filings showed how dire CIT's financial position had become in the days leading up to a last-minute rescue ...
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124818532000868603.html
wer sich hier plötzlich alles tummelt, na wer den Fred von Anfang an verfolgt und die commentz am Do und FR gelesen hat, wusste doch was abgeht. Es ging da nie um was anderes als DO und/oder FR in CIT reinzugehen, wenn überhaupt;) und spätestens MO wieder raus. Was soll man sagen kaum steigt was 100%, da kommen die Lemminge aus ihren Löchern und denken die macht nochmal 100% (oder andere verarschen die Leute: rein, rein damit sie selber gut raus kommen ;)) Naja, Deppen sterben halt nie aus. Im Grunde war der Zock oder Hype am Mo beendet und jeder, der vor dem WE am Fred beteiligt war kann dies bestätigen, das war aus den einzelnen Commentz klar ersichtlich.
kein schlechter beitrag, bissel gehässig, aber irgendwie trifft es die sache ganz gut. ich gebe Dir dafür: ein gut analysiert.
depot eröffnen, cit zocken. ist schon bissel hanebüchen. aber so ganz an den haaren herbeigezogen wiederum auch nicht. meine erste aktie im depot war qimonda :-o
CIT Transport Sale Could Raise $8B, But Market Conditions Tough
In recent quarters, the aircraft and rail leasing units have been the most profitable for CIT, the U.S. financial services group that staved off bankruptcy this week with $3 billion in fresh financing. The parent company still faces serious financial challenges.
CIT used part of its aerospace unit's assets as collateral for the fresh funding, which it secured after the U.S. government last week backtracked from providing support. Lenders would likely have to approve any transaction involving aircraft.
The company hasn't confirmed whether it would seek buyers for the aircraft and rail units, and couldn't immediately be reached for comment Wednesday. Both businesses have attracted interest from prospective bidders over the past two years.
CIT dropped plans last year to sell the rail unit after finding offers unattractive, while the larger aircraft business would join three or more rivals seeking buyers, and market conditions in both sectors have softened.
General Electric Co. (GE), which owns the largest aircraft leasing business, also explored a sale of its rail unit last year.
The CIT Aerospace unit leases and manages a fleet of 302 aircraft, according to consultant UBM Aviation Worldwide, ranking it among the top five in the industry by value. It has an additional 109 on order.
While CIT hasn't signaled plans to sell transportation assets, any effort to raise funds faces the hurdle of efforts by American International Group Inc. (AIG) to sell International Lease Finance Corp., one of the two dominant aircraft leasing companies. GE's Gecas unit is the other major world player.
Richard Aboulafia, an aerospace consultant with Teal Group, said valuing CIT Aerospace may hinge on the fate of ILFC, given the latter's size.
AIG's protracted talks with potential private-equity buyers have seen the price tag shorn from a book value of around $7 billion to less than $4 billion, according to people familiar with the process.
CreditSights said the unit could realize around $5.3 billion after repaying debt.
Royal Bank of Scotland PLC (RBS) has also canvassed buyers for its RBS Aviation Capital business, according to leasing industry sources, dropping an order for 25 Boeing 787s to avoid pre-delivery payments and improve the marketability of the business.
Chinese banks have been active in boosting aircraft assets during recent months, and bankers said listed leasing companies such as Aircastle Ltd. (AYR), AerCap Holdings (AER) and Genesis Lease Ltd. (GLS) may also seek opportunistic purchases of some aircraft.
Any renewed effort by CIT to offload its rail business may run into the buffers caused by overcapacity amid a sharp decline in freight volume in the U.S. and Europe.
The company had a portfolio of 101,400 railcars as of March 31, second only to GATX Corp. (GMT).CIT doesn't break down the rail assets, but the book value of the fleet - alongside bus and other non-aircraft transport equipment - was $2.73 billion at the end of the first quarter. CreditSights valued the rail book at $2.3 billion after repaying debt.
Jeff Immelt, GE's chairman and chief executive, noted on an earnings call last week that there are 5,400 locomotives parked across the industry, a third of them owned by the U.S. conglomerate. Well over 100,000 railcars, many of them leased, also stand idle.
Burlington Northern Santa Corp. (BNI), Union Pacific Corp. (UNP) and CSX Corp. (CSX) all lease some rail cars from CIT, but none is voicing much concern on the unit's fate. "We have ample capacity in terms of rolling stock," said a Burlingon spokesman.
-By Ann Keeton; Dow Jones Newswires; 312-750-4120;ann.keeton@dowjones.com
July 22, 2009 17:23 ET (21:23 GMT)
CHICAGO -(Dow Jones)- CIT Group Inc. (CIT) could raise more than $8 billion from the sale of its profitable transport assets, though the value likely would be pressured by weakening end markets and rival sellers.
In recent quarters, the aircraft and rail leasing units have been the most profitable for CIT, the U.S. financial services group that staved off bankruptcy this week with $3 billion in fresh financing. The parent company still faces serious financial challenges.
CIT used part of its aerospace unit's assets as collateral for the fresh funding, which it secured after the U.S. government last week backtracked from providing support. Lenders would likely have to approve any transaction involving aircraft.
The company hasn't confirmed whether it would seek buyers for the aircraft and rail units, and couldn't immediately be reached for comment Wednesday. Both businesses have attracted interest from prospective bidders over the past two years.
CIT dropped plans last year to sell the rail unit after finding offers unattractive, while the larger aircraft business would join three or more rivals seeking buyers, and market conditions in both sectors have softened.
General Electric Co. (GE), which owns the largest aircraft leasing business, also explored a sale of its rail unit last year.
The CIT Aerospace unit leases and manages a fleet of 302 aircraft, according to consultant UBM Aviation Worldwide, ranking it among the top five in the industry by value. It has an additional 109 on order.
While CIT hasn't signaled plans to sell transportation assets, any effort to raise funds faces the hurdle of efforts by American International Group Inc. (AIG) to sell International Lease Finance Corp., one of the two dominant aircraft leasing companies. GE's Gecas unit is the other major world player.
Richard Aboulafia, an aerospace consultant with Teal Group, said valuing CIT Aerospace may hinge on the fate of ILFC, given the latter's size.
AIG's protracted talks with potential private-equity buyers have seen the price tag shorn from a book value of around $7 billion to less than $4 billion, according to people familiar with the process.
CreditSights said the unit could realize around $5.3 billion after repaying debt.
Royal Bank of Scotland PLC (RBS) has also canvassed buyers for its RBS Aviation Capital business, according to leasing industry sources, dropping an order for 25 Boeing 787s to avoid pre-delivery payments and improve the marketability of the business.
Chinese banks have been active in boosting aircraft assets during recent months, and bankers said listed leasing companies such as Aircastle Ltd. (AYR), AerCap Holdings (AER) and Genesis Lease Ltd. (GLS) may also seek opportunistic purchases of some aircraft.
Any renewed effort by CIT to offload its rail business may run into the buffers caused by overcapacity amid a sharp decline in freight volume in the U.S. and Europe.
The company had a portfolio of 101,400 railcars as of March 31, second only to GATX Corp. (GMT).CIT doesn't break down the rail assets, but the book value of the fleet - alongside bus and other non-aircraft transport equipment - was $2.73 billion at the end of the first quarter. CreditSights valued the rail book at $2.3 billion after repaying debt.
Jeff Immelt, GE's chairman and chief executive, noted on an earnings call last week that there are 5,400 locomotives parked across the industry, a third of them owned by the U.S. conglomerate. Well over 100,000 railcars, many of them leased, also stand idle.
Burlington Northern Santa Corp. (BNI), Union Pacific Corp. (UNP) and CSX Corp. (CSX) all lease some rail cars from CIT, but none is voicing much concern on the unit's fate. "We have ample capacity in terms of rolling stock," said a Burlingon spokesman.
-By Ann Keeton; Dow Jones Newswires; 312-750-4120;ann.keeton@dowjones.com (Doug Cameron and Bob Sechler contributed to this article)
http://english.capital.gr/news.asp?id=781182
http://english.capital.gr/news.asp?id=781182
Gehe morge punkt neun fett einkaufen !!!
wünsche allen viel Glück/Erfolg und gute Nerven morgen!
http://www.nasdaq.com/aspxcontent/...x?selected=CIT&mkttype=after
hab jetzt alles durchgelesen ab MO an Commentz, aber gab nix neues, alles was am Mo bis heute passierte, hatte man schon vorm Wochenende Do/Fr schon "durchgespielt". Können die Leute alles selber durchlesen!
ich hatte auch geschrieben, glaub auch jemand anderes das eine Rettung nur durch den Staat möglich sei, weil die Kunden JETZT ihre Einlagen abholen. Wenn ihr mal hört das eure Bank vor der Pleite ist, was passiert wohl???
Aber may be macht Pimco nochmal 3mrd locker *grins*. Ich frage mich was Goldman und JP Morgan City Boys mit der CIT GROUP gequackelt haben *grins*. Vielleicht konnte CIT noch nicht mal das Tagesgeschäft bedienen ohne diesen DEPPENKREDIT der PIMCO (Pimpfentruppe auch genannt). Aber wenigstens konnten so die braven Bürger ihre Einlagen rausholen vor der Pleite, wenigstens hatten sie jetzt ja ein paar Tage Zeit. Was wär gewesen, wenn Freitag, die Pleite gekommen wäre...;)
Brasilien, Island usw lassen grüssen.
Und jetzt könnt ihr noch mal logisch nachdenken, ob der Laden am Leben gehalten werden kann, abgesehen von den ganzen toxischen Krediten, wenn nix an Assetz da ist oder wer den Schrott überhaupt haben will oder es leisten könnte, wenn er es müsste, wie Pimco Deppen als Hauptgläubiger.
Und wieder tschö weil kein Zock mehr hier nur noch Chapter 11.
PS: Unglaubliche verdepperte Rettungsmeldeungen auch da wurde vor dem WE geschrieben das das die Pleite nur verzögert aber nicht aufgehoben wird, nur der Staat hätte es tun/ sich leisten können...
nicht die nase hängen lassen wird schon wieder......heute könnte vielleicht sogar etwas bewegung hier reinkommen,die cowboys die bei dem dubiosen kurseinbruch die stücke massenhaft billig eingesammelt haben wollen ja schlißlich auch teuer verkaufen nicht wahr (-;