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Fast alle Minen stiegen und hier geht es ziemlich rapide bergab. Muss doch einen Grund haben, denke ich mir.
Bei der Lotterie erfährt man wenigstens zeitnah, dass man nicht reich wurde. Hier hätte ich nicht die Nerven und die Zeit, womöglich noch Jahrzehnte zu warten.
Mir hat schon die Warterei bei meinen Werten, einschließlich manch genauso offen provozierender wie eindeutig falscher Kommentare gereicht. Deshalb werde ich auch kaum noch schreiben, wo ich zusätzlich investiert bin. Ach ja, kleine Ausnahme: Ein paar Uranwerte sind es. Aber die bleiben anonym. Ich denke, da kommt bald ein genauso großer Hype.
Die Böcke bleiben für mich allerdings im Depot (bzw bei Computershare AU) aber "rechnen" tue ich mit dem Bestand nicht mehr. Hier zählt nur: "Die Hoffnung stirbt zuletzt."
ich immer noch im minus. ich hab über 30jahre boc aktien,die können in 4wochen auch wieder
bei 1euro sein. einfach unberechenbar!!
....in 26 Tagen also für den 31. 08. 2016 festgelegt. Dann , so der Plan, müßte also die Verteilung der Aktien an die 2 Hauptaktionäre feststehen. :-)
....
Was noch hinzu kommt sind die Bohrergebnisse, diese gehen nicht automatisch
an PNG/ABG über, sondern sind noch im Besitz von Rio/BCL.
Rio hat somit immer noch Einfluss auf die Geschehnisse auf Bougainville
Meine Frage, weiß jemand wie die Eigentumsverhältnisse der Bohrergebnisse geregelt sind?
Bei 1 € springen alle auf und bei 0,13€ ohne Risiko wegen des Inneren Wertes traut sich keiner.
Die Menschen soll mal einer verstehen.
Nur was für longtrade Aktivisten
Und dann soll man mir mal 0,12 Cent pro Aktie erklären.
Das ist doch sogar die cashreserve von Boc.
Welche hat man jetzt, wenn man kauft?
Perfektes Chance Risiko Verhältnis aus meiner sich
Ich werde nochmals nachkaufen
1 Mio. Akt. die letzten paar Tage.
..PM Peter O’Neill: Government will address all mining issues
o'neill in parliament
Jack Lapauve Jnr. | EMTV News | August 9, 2016
PNG Prime Minister, Peter O’Neill, told parliament today that the government is at the centre of addressing all mining-related issues.
Mr O’Neill said a formal statement will be released to address grievances by landowners in Hela, and shares in Panguna and Ok Tedi.
“I want to assure the house and our country that one thing is very obvious. We need to look after all our stakeholders. More importantly, the landowners, provincial governments, and of course our citizens and our country. We need to have a greater stake in the industry, and the industry laws today, does not allow us to exercise that option.
“We are looking at this in a very diligent manner. We want to be fair to everybody. Even the investors. Without the investors, some of the large scale mines like Frieda and Wafi cannot be developed. If we take up all the equity, investors will not have any equity to take. But over the course of the next two weeks, I will be making statements in this house, in regards to the shareholding in Ok Tedi and Bougainville, for the first time these two mines are being controlled by Papua New Guineans.
“And of course, in relation to the 4.27 percentage stakeholding by the landowners in the Hela province, and of course, the LNG project.
“I will make a separate statement in this house on it, but Mr Speaker, I want to assure the good member, we will communicate with the industry. The matter was discussed in cabinet this morning, but we have also deferred the discussion# till next week#, because I want to put a senior ministerial committee to discuss with other stakeholders, some of the concerns.We have to iron out all these concerns before we take this,” Mr O’Neill said
..die Zeit läuft und so gesehen besteht schon eine Chance das einmal der Zeitplan eingehalten wird.
Zumal das ja jetzt offensichtlich Priorität hat und somit Chefsache ist. :-)
PNG und AGB haben die Mehrheit und das Sagen.
Und da kann ganz lange nix passieren, oder auch komische Deals...
Ich hoffe allerdings, dass es noch mal Berg auf geht.
Aber zunächst, sollten nicht kurzfristig gute news kommen, womit ich nicht rechne, liegt eine Durststrecke vor uns.
Mal wieder...
Das in dieser Situation einige verkaufen verstehe ich.
Habe ich auch getan.
Mit Verlust. (Spatz/Taube Vergleich)
Ich habe mich gefragt, ob ich zu dem Kurs und bei der Lage kaufen würde, und habe das verneint, und zwei drittel verkauft.
Ich hoffe das ich das noch bereue :-)
also auf die paar wochen....
und wenn es in den sack geht...
auf die paar groschen... laufen ja noch andere schuhe :-)
.......nekro hat vor vielen Jahren am Anfang einmal gepostet , sozusagen ein quasi Scenario du wirst dich vielleicht auch erinnern, wie es mit einem Thread hier in mehreren Phasen verlaufen kann bzw. wie ein Thread über Jahre gehandelt werden kann. Ich habe es irgendwo abgespeichert fand/finde es sehr interessant und in einigen Punkten auch zutreffend.
...und wenn es in den Sack geht.....OK.
Nur was nützen PNG und ABG der Hauptanteil eines Aktienpaketes einer Minengesellschaft
wenn sie liquidiert werden soll???? Ich sehe da keinen Sinn oder Vorteil weder in finanzieller noch in rechtlicher Hinsicht. Es sei denn ein großer neuer Interessent der das Spiel von vorne beginnen will steht in den Startlöchern.
Realität ist doch bei allen Widerständen gegen das mining und bei allen Vorbehalten......... diese Werte bleiben auf Dauer nicht in dem Berg......Das wird nicht nur in der Region entschieden. Wer von den Akteuren nur einen Funken Verstand hat weiß das.
Also muß ein gangbarer/machbarer Weg gefunden werden von dem alle profitieren. Daran hat sich seit den letzten 20 Jahren nichts geändert. :-)
Der Meinung schliesse ich mich an,BOC notiert nahe NAF, ich halte meine Position u. warte ab. ;-))
Ich bin ja im kern bei euch.... seit 2005 :-)
wenigstens wird´s ein wenig spannender - wie auch immer es ausgeht. ich sehe mir das spiel entspannt zu ende an. rein statistisch kann ich das länger als axel und nekro. es hätte ja sein können, dass du abbaust oder aussteigst, nekro. kann ja jeder so machen, wie er will. bei unter 10 ohne relevante news kaufe ich auch nach.
und sonst gilt wie immer bei mir: auf die paar monate....
Recent Events of Significance
On the 30th June 2016 Rio Tinto announced the transfer of its 53.8% shareholding in Bougainville
Copper Limited to an independent trustee. Pursuant to the trust deed the Autonomous Bougainville
Government (ABG) has the opportunity to receive, for no consideration, 36.4% and the Independent
State of Papua New Guinea (PNG) 17.4% of the Rio Tinto shareholding. Subsequently PNG has taken
up its 17.4% for a total shareholding of 36.4%. To date the ABG have not taken up their share
entitlement.
The managing director Peter Taylor and Adam Burley who are Rio Tinto employees resigned from
the board. The three independent directors remain on the board.
Rio Tinto has given notice to terminate the service agreement to manage the company. The
directors are managing the transition of the company from that agreement.
Due to the announcement by Rio Tinto to transfer its shares to the trustee, pursuant to the
Bougainville Mining Act, the ABG issued a notice to show cause why exploration licence 1/2014 held
by Bougainville Copper Limited should not be cancelled. The company believes it can show cause
and has responded accordingly.
The company has reached an agreement to settle compensation under the 1986 landowner
compensation agreement.
The board is planning for the change in share ownership and remains focused on returning to
sustainable mining. The board has initiated positive dialogue with the ABG and PNG governments to
develop an understanding of their positions.
http://hotcopper.com.au/threads/...221/?post_id=18503915#.V64hSFuLSM8
@ havanna .....sieht doch nicht schlecht aus.
......The board is planning for the change in share ownership and remains focused on returning to
sustainable mining. The board has initiated positive dialogue with the ABG and PNG governments to
develop an understanding of their positions.......
....das ist doch mal ein klares Statment dafür, was getan werden muß. Pragmatismus ist für den Insulaner nicht gerade die hervorstechendste Eigenschaft doch das wird jetzt von BCL abhängen die Partner zu überzeugen und zur Zusammenarbeit zu bringen.
by ramunickel
Sharon Masige | Australian Mining | August 17, 2016
The apparent postcard perfect paradise of Bougainville and its history is wrought with conflict, bloodshed, and constant appeals for autonomy, with the Panguna mine linked inextricably within it.
Under Germany’s rule in the 1880s, Bougainville was annexed from the Solomon Islands with whom they shared strong cultural, historical, and geographical ties. After being embroiled in both WW1 and WW2, it was placed under Australian authority and later relinquished to administration by Papua New Guinea (PNG).
Bougainville repeatedly attempted secession from PNG – such as a failed independence attempt in 1975 – before PNG agreed to offer it limited autonomy; the island becoming one of its provinces and adopting the title Autonomous Bougainville Government (ABG).
The Mine
Copper was discovered on the island by Australian geologists in the 1960s, with prospecting undertaken by Bougainville Copper Limited (BCL) – a joint venture between Conzinc Rio Tinto and Broken Hill Corporation – in 1963. This led to the eventual development of the Panguna mine which began production in 1972, and soon became one of the world’s largest open cut mines.
During its 17 year life, the mine produced three million tonnes of copper, 784 tonnes of silver, and 306 tonnes of gold. During 1980 it had approximately 4000 employees, a third of them native Bougainvilleans, while around 200 local businesses also relied on BCL, with nearly half of their employees from Bougainville.
In regards to the operation itself, nearly 54 per cent of the BCL joint venture was owned by Rio Tinto, 27 per cent by the Bougainvilleans, and 19 per cent by the PNG Government; the mine also accounted for close to half of PNG’s exports.
However, despite nearly a third of mine’s ownership held locally it exacerbated the underlying tensions relating to autonomy and failed secession attempts to breaking point.
The native Bougainvilleans felt disempowered in decisions relating to their environment and resources, claimed insufficient payment of royalties to traditional landowners, as well as wages, rent, and compensation disparities.
These issues intensified resentment towards both PNG and BCL.
In a recent address to the ABG’s House of Representatives, Bougainville president John Momis – quoting figures from former BCL managing director Paul Quodling – said during the mine’s operations, PNG received 61.46 per cent of the total revenue, compared to the North Solomon Islands on behalf of the Bougainvillians, who received 4.28 per cent and mine lease owners just 1.37 per cent.
The uneven financial distribution from the mine sparked a violent backlash by the Bougainville Revolutionary Army (BRA) militant group that led to the mine’s closure and nearly a decade of civil war between PNG and ABG, during which some reports claim more than 20,000 lives were lost.
“The mine was closed as a result of action by landowners, mine workers, and people from adjacent areas,” Momis said.
Arson, sabotage, property and equipment damage, as well as attacks on individuals ensued, forced the mine to shut down in 1989.
“They wanted BCL and the National Government [PNG] to negotiate a new basis for mining – one that would be much fairer for both landowners and the rest of Bougainville. They had no intention to close the mine permanently.”
However, it has remained closed ever since.
Momis added that now, landowners of the mine’s lease areas are left with issues which were caused by the tailings, deterioration of chemical storage areas, as well as associated environmental issues from the mine’s operation.
The future direction
Now an already in doubt mine’s future is even set to become even more clouded.
Earlier this year Rio Tinto decided to divest its 53.8 per cent share in BCL to its joint venture partners, saying it would allow Bougainville residents to have more input into decisions regarding Panguna.
The shares will be given to Equity Trustees to manage its distribution between ABG and PNG.
If the transfer is complete, both ABG and PNG will have an equal share of 36.4 per cent in BCL, which the company says “ensures both parties are equally involved in any consideration and decision-making around the future of the Panguna mine”.
Chris Salisbury, Rio Tinto Copper & Coal chief executive, said,
“Our review looked at a broad range of options and by distributing our shares in this way we aim to provide landowners, those closest to the mine, and all the people of Bougainville a greater say in the future of Panguna.”
Luke Fletcher, director of Jubilee Australia Research Centre, an organisation that promotes the human rights of groups affected by the actions of Australian companies or governments, told Australian Mining Rio’s exit has created instability on the island.
“The fact that some Rio shares have been handed over to the PNG Government has also added a destabilising factor to the whole situation because now PNG potentially has an influential role in Bougainville’s future, if the decision is taken to reopen the mine.”
He added that Rio should not have sold its shares without addressing the environmental obligations in conjunction with BCL.
“We also believe that Rio has washed their hands of the role in the conflict; as the controlling interest in BCL, they bear responsibility for BCL’s actions in helping bring the country into a civil war. They have never acknowledged this, and now that they have sold their shares, there is even less chance than before that they ever will,” Fletcher said.
President Momis called for all the shares to be given to ABG and for Rio to address its environmental obligations.
“First, we must unite in demanding that the whole of the Rio 53.8 per cent shareholding in BCL be transferred to the ABG,” he said.
“Second, we must unite in developing the strongest possible international campaign to apply all necessary pressure on Rio Tinto to accept its mine legacy issues such as the needs of relocated villages.”
He said it was “grossly unjust” and “completely unacceptable” for Rio to negate responsibility and added that PNG should also contribute to remediating environmental issues caused by mining.
When asked whether the ‘obligations’ Rio had to complete following their exit included environmental costs, a Rio Tinto spokesperson told Australian Mining, “ABG and PNG are keen on recommencing the operations. It will depend on what they decide.”
“In accordance with our existing management agreement with BCL, we have given the required six months’ notice to the BCL board. We will continue to meet our obligations during that period to ensure an orderly handover of the management of the company,” he added.
One lingering possibility is to reopen the Panguna mine, which Momis says could aid with the clean up efforts.
“Re-opening Panguna is generally recognised as the best way to achieve not only a clean-up of Panguna and the tailings, but also to fund economic development for the Panguna and tailings areas, and to provide the funding needed for Bougainville to have either real autonomy or independence,” he said.
Fletcher supported the notion of Bougainvilleans should make their own decisions over the future of the mine.
“It has always been our position that the people of Bougainville must decide what sort of development path they want: one based on exploiting its mineral resources, including the Panguna mine, or one based on developing other industries like agriculture and fisheries,” he said.
“However, to make that choice, it is important that the people of Bougainville be fully informed about the implications of choosing one path or the other–clearly that has not happened yet. All the talk is that Bougainville needs Panguna to be financially solvent, although this is not self-evident.”
With the mine’s future still in limbo, and the island expected to hold another referendum on secession from PNG by 2019, it seems Bougainville’s battles will continue for a few years yet.
ramunickel | August 17, 2016