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1637 Postings, 4397 Tage JAM_JOYCEsieht nicht so aus, als ob sistema einknickt..

 
  
    #426
11.12.17 10:49
der tanz auf dem vulkan geht weiter.

Sistema stellt Gegenklage mit Schadensersatzanspruch..Das sieht für mich aber mehr nach eskalation aus, anstatt einer einigung.

Sistema filed a counterclaim against Bashneft and Rosneft for 330 billion rubles

AFK Sistema filed a lawsuit with the Moscow Arbitration Court against Rosneft and Bashneft. The company said that the defendants took "deliberately dishonest actions" in order to destroy the corporate value of the investment company and bring it to bankruptcy. In this regard, the "System" requires compensation in the amount of 330.449 billion rubles

http://www.mk.ru/economics/2017/12/08/...efti-na-330-mlrd-rubley.html
 

1637 Postings, 4397 Tage JAM_JOYCEhier noch etwas ausführlicher...

 
  
    #427
11.12.17 11:15
wie im letzten drittel beschrieben, wäre das negativszenario, dass MTS verkauft wird mit der folge eines strategiewechsels..anders wäre es wohl nicht möglich, die schadensansprüche von Rosneft zu bezahlen.



Belonging to businessman Vladimir Yevtushenkov, AFK Sistema filed a suit with the Moscow Arbitration Court against Rosneft and Bashneft for damages in the amount of 330.5 billion rubles. Sistema believes that the oil companies intentionally "destroy the corporate value" of the AFC and lead the corporation to bankruptcy. Rosneft and Bashneft have already filed two suits against Sistema for a total amount of over 302 billion rubles. Against the backdrop of litigation, AFK Sistema has already lost half of its market capitalization, and the value of one share has fallen more than twofold. The troubles at the parent company have a negative impact on the capitalization of its "daughter" - PJSC Mobile TeleSystems (MTS) and, analysts believe, could lead to its sale.

The suit of AFK Sistema to Rosneft and Bashneft is related to the intention of the corporation to compensate for the damage caused to it. AFC press service reported that the corporation, filing a counterclaim, protects the interests of shareholders, employees and partners. Claims of oil companies AFK Sistema considers ungrounded and illegal. "Throughout 2017, Rosneft and Bashneft have undertaken and continue to undertake deliberately unfair acts aimed at unjust enriching the defendants and destroying the corporate value of Sistema, bringing the corporation to bankruptcy, damaging the corporation, its shareholders and creditors, the AFC said. In addition, the corporation has reaffirmed that it is ready to go to an early resolution of the conflict on an honest and objective basis in the interests of all parties to the dispute and the Russian economy.

At the same time, Mikhail Leontiev, a spokesman for Rosneft, told Interfax that he considered Sistema's retaliatory claim to be a legal absurdity. "I hardly imagine that this claim can be taken into consideration." This is insanity and powerlessness, "he believes.

"To file the first lawsuit and the second in its development is an understandable procedural admission.The logic is simple: first to recognize the transaction as illegal, then all its legal consequences, the nearest and most financially important of which will be, of course, the dividends paid," said the vice-president of the partners' Katkov and Partners Alexey Kopylov.

Managing Partner of the law firm Axis Pravo Alexei Sulin believes that there should not be any problems with the limitation period in the case of the second claim. "According to the law, the countdown starts from the moment when the person found out or should have learned that his right was violated It can be argued that Bashneft learned about this at the time of making the decision on the first suit to recognize the acquisition of shares as illegal, he says.

Together, Rosneft and Bashneft filed suits for Sistema totaling 302.2 billion rubles. The lawsuits resulted in more than a twofold drop in the value of one share of AFK Sistema. If in early May, the stock was worth 22.29 rubles, then by December 7, 2017 its price dropped to 9.25 rubles. Shares of AFK Sistema reacted to the emergence of a new suit by a 15% drop, and on Dec. 7 the decline was 23%. In total, according to analyst analyst Finam Alexei Kalachev, since the beginning of the lawsuit with Rosneft, the corporation's capitalization has more than halved, losing 54.2% of the cost.

Alexei Kalachev notes that these "troubles" of the parent company, of course, negatively affect the capitalization of MTS. "Players use any information reason to justify aggressive trading actions.Naturally, the stock quotes of MTS declined on December 7 after the release of this news by 6.4% .However, it should be noted that the decrease in the company's stock quotes began on November 15, after the release of the results announcement The third quarter, which somehow disappointed investors, Rosneft's statement only exacerbated the fall, "he said.

Deputy Director of the Analytical Department of Alpari Natalya Milchakova believes that the situation with claims is not reflected in MTS's operating activities. "And on the capitalization of MTS, this is certainly reflected, since the shareholding in MTS, which is approximately 32% of the capital and owned by Sistema, has been arrested, although this does not directly affect the market, but it creates a background of uncertainty about the company's prospects," believes expert. Since May 3, when the first lawsuit was filed against the owner of MTS, the capitalization of the telecom-company practically did not change, the shares rose in price only by 0.03%, although the Moscow Stock Exchange index rose during the same period by almost 5%.

In the case of the most negative scenario for Sistema, if it faces bankruptcy, there will not be other ways to raise funds to pay off liabilities, except for the sale of assets. And, perhaps, as Natalya Milchakova believes, the MTS package will be sold. And if the company has a new owner, it will inevitably mean a change of strategy, perhaps a change in the dividend policy, and it is not a fact that the changes, if any, will be favorable for the shareholders. She is sure that all this creates unnecessary uncertainty for investors and shareholders and for the time being makes them be cautious and prefer other securities for investments.

Alexei Kalachev also notes the risk of a change in the owner of MTS. "While it's not clear if MTS can not sell, it's unclear if the limitation period has not expired, but at the same time, we all understand that Rosneft's management knows how to get it in court even in such a dubious situation as with the first lawsuit to" System, "he noted.

 

1637 Postings, 4397 Tage JAM_JOYCEsoviel dazu aus der novaja gazeta..die ist glaub

 
  
    #428
11.12.17 11:29
so weit ok, was russische medien angeht

aber hier sieht man schon, worum es eigentlich geht...hier heißt es aber auch, dass eine einigung unwahrscheinlich ist. es scheint nun doch schlimmer zu kommen, als ich immer angenommen habe. das was die russen sagen und tun, sind meist 2 verschiedene paar schuhe.


The second suit of Rosneft is related only to the fact that the appetite comes with eating. The thing is that the state-owned company, because of the passion for consolidations, does not have money for new acquisitions, but they really want to make them. Therefore, they thus earn money, then to buy some assets. I can not go into details, but the meaning of this scheme is this: in Russia there are oil and gas assets, which are decorated with frontmen, but in fact belong to high-ranking officials from the political establishment. When these people see that their oil and gas assets do not stand a chance of rising in price, they will have to monetize their administrative resource, trying to sell them to some state-owned company. The only state-owned company that can go for this is Rosneft, but it needs money for this.

I do not believe in the settlement agreement between Rosneft and Sistema. Rumors about this went for a long time, but, as far as I know, the positions there and do not closely coincide. The wording of "System" that it is an attempt by Rosneft to ruin the company, as well as possible characterizes what is happening.
https://www.novayagazeta.ru/articles/2017/12/11/...osit-otvetnyy-udar  

1508 Postings, 2800 Tage LASKlerGedanken

 
  
    #429
11.12.17 15:13
Auf Zeitungs Artikel gebe ich weniger.

Denke das dass ganze hoch Politisch ist.  

1637 Postings, 4397 Tage JAM_JOYCESistema verkauft Anteile von Detsky Mir

 
  
    #430
13.12.17 10:16
Man müsste mal ermitteln, was Sistema ggf. noch abstoßen kann, ohne das MTS verkauft werden müsste. Immerhin wurden Mrd 3,3 RUB (vor Gebühren für den Verkauf) erlöst.  

AFK Sistema and RCIF have successfully completed the offer to sell shares in Detsky Mir

Moscow, Russia - December 12, 2017 - PJSC AFK Sistema (hereinafter referred to as AFK Sistema or the Corporation) (LSE: SSA, MOEX: AFKS), a public Russian diversified holding company, and the Russian-Chinese Investment Fund (hereinafter referred to as "RCIFF") announce the successful completion of the proposal (hereinafter referred to as the "Offer") for the sale of 46.5 million ordinary shares in PJSC "Detsky Mir" (hereinafter referred to as "Detsky Mir" or "Company"), which is approximately 6.3 % of the share capital of the Company, through the accelerated formation of a book of applications.

The offer price was set at 90 rubles. per share.

In the framework of the Proposal, AFK Sistema agreed to sell 36,633,502 ordinary shares of Detsky Mir, representing approximately 5% of the Company's share capital. AFK Sistema will receive approximately 3.3 billion rubles. as a result of the transaction (before deduction of the relevant commissions and taxes).

Based on the results of the Proposal, AFK Sistema will retain 47.1% of the share capital of Detsky Mir. The corporation expects that it will continue to consolidate the Company in the reporting of the Sistema Group under IFRS. The RCIF, the second largest shareholder of Detsky Mir, will retain 12.7% of the Company's ordinary shares, and the free float of the Company is expected to reach 40.2% at the end of the Offer. Thus, the implementation of the Offer is expected to increase the liquidity level of Detsky Mir shares.

...

President of AFK Sistema Mikhail Shamolin said: "The deal we are announcing today will increase liquidity and the free float ratio of Detsky Mir shares, which should further increase the value of the Company. Since its IPO in February 2017, Detsky Mir has confidently outperformed other public retailers in the Russian Federation in terms of operating results and stock dynamics. At the same time, the Company retains a significant expansion potential in Russia and the CIS, and AFK Sistema remains its largest shareholder and will work actively to ensure the continued profitable growth of Detsky Mir.

http://www.sistema.ru/press-centr/press-relizy/detail/article/23041/  

1637 Postings, 4397 Tage JAM_JOYCEund sie haben es doch gemacht. das gericht hat wei

 
  
    #431
13.12.17 10:28
tere Anteile von Sistema eingefroren/beschlagnahmt. Es ist doch einfach nicht zu glauben. somit ist auch klar, was noch erlöst werden könnte. da bleibt wenig übrig. am 12. Januar gehts weiter..

12/12/2017
On the receipt of the statement of claim and the imposition of interim measures on the suit of Rosneft and Bashneft ANC

Moscow, Russia - December 12, 2017 - PJSC AFK Sistema (hereinafter referred to as AFK Sistema or the Corporation) (LSE: SSA, MOEX: AFKS), a public Russian diversified holding company, reports that it received from NK Rosneft and ANK Bashneft (hereinafter referred to as the "Claimants") a statement of claim to recover damages in the amount of 131,639,012,421.18 rubles from the Corporation and its 100% subsidiary Sistema-Invest JSC (the "Claim"), .

In continuation of the earlier stated theses about the losses of ANK Bashneft with such common procedures as preparation for an IPO, redemption and repayment of own shares, the new claim is based on the assumption that Bashneft incurred a loss by the fact that it paid dividends.

Also the plaintiffs appealed to the Arbitration Court of the Republic of Bashkortostan with a statement on securing the claim, which was immediately satisfied.

The court seized the following property of the Corporation and Sistema-Invest:

52.09% of shares in the authorized capital of PJSC "Detsky Mir"
90.5% of shares in the authorized capital of Agroholding "Steppe" JSC
71.87% of shares in the authorized capital of PJSC "MTS-Bank"
100% of shares in the authorized capital of Sistema Telecom Assets LLC
98.78% of shares in the authorized capital of JSC Leader Invest
16,18% of shares in the authorized capital of LLC "GC" Segezha "
88.78% of shares in the authorized capital of LLC "Group Kronstadt"
45.96% of shares in the authorized capital of OOO Sistema Hotel Management
27% of shares in the authorized capital of LLC United Bridge Construction Enterprise

In addition, the court's ruling limits the right of PJSC AFC Sistema and Sistema-Invest to receive income (dividends) on the securities and shares that were seized.

AFK Sistema categorically disagrees with the Claim and interim measures and considers the claims and actions of Rosneft and Bashneft ANC to be illegal, unreasonable and knowingly unscrupulous.

The Corporation firmly believes that the actions of the Claimants as part of the filing of the Claim are carried out with the aim of unjust enrichment and are aimed at destroying the corporate value of AFK Sistema, leading to the bankruptcy of the Corporation, which is one of the leading Russian non-state business structures and one of the largest employers, more than 130 000 employees.

The claim was adopted by the Arbitration Court of the Republic of Bashkortostan for production. The case is scheduled for consideration in the preliminary court session on January 12, 2018.

AFK "Sistema" will provide the court with substantiated objections to all the theses and arguments of the Claimants.

The corporation is interested in the utmost openness when considering all the issues raised in the Law and will regularly inform the media and investors about further actions on this dispute.
http://www.sistema.ru/press-centr/press-relizy/detail/article/23045/
 

1637 Postings, 4397 Tage JAM_JOYCEich muss mich kurz korrigieren, hier ein artikel,

 
  
    #432
13.12.17 10:33
was die beschlagnahmten shares aktuell nach buchwerten wert sind. Unglaublich was die da eingefroren haben.

BUSINESS, 10:58
Shares of AFK Sistema at the opening of trading in the Moscow stock market fell by 9%, to 9.88 rubles. for paper. This is evidenced by the data of trading on the stock exchange.

As of 10:30 Moscow time, the price of one share of AFK Sistema is 10.12 rubles. The share price of the financial corporation fell against the backdrop of the seizure of Sistema's assets under the suit filed by Rosneft on December 12. The suit was satisfied by the Arbitration Court of Bashkortostan.

The plaintiff demanded to pay him 131.6 billion rubles. According to the court decision, 52.09% of shares in PJSC "Detsky Mir" were seized with a book value of 33.8 billion rubles, 90.5% of the shares of the agricultural holding "Step" worth 17.2 billion rubles, 71.87% of PJSC "MTS-Bank" "Worth 15.3 billion rubles. In addition, 100% of Sistema Telecom Assets, worth 8.7 billion rubles, were arrested.

Against the backdrop of news about the arrest of Sistema's assets, shares of PJSC "Detsky Mir" fell by 8.23%, to 92.5 rubles. at the close of trading Mossbirge December 12. As of 10:30 Moscow time on December 13, the cost of one share of the "Children's World" is 92 rubles.

In response to a new lawsuit, Sistema accused Rosneft of attempting to bankrupt the financial corporation.

Подробнее на РБК:
https://translate.googleusercontent.com/...RUSXImp88OojGOAWZ3QIz_Efyw

 

1637 Postings, 4397 Tage JAM_JOYCEich komm nicht drauf klar.

 
  
    #433
13.12.17 10:47
Ein bericht von Wedomosti...glaube die zeitung ist kein Kremlin.

The court of Bashkiria within one day considered and satisfied the requirement of Rosneft to arrest the assets of AFK Sistema. The amount of claims to AFK Sistema on December 12 exceeded 433.9 billion rubles. In total, under the lawsuits of Rosneft, the court seized most of the corporation's assets for a total of 211.9 billion rubles.

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What's Arrested
Arrested 52.09% of the "Children's World". On the Moscow Stock Exchange such a package was worth 35.6 billion rubles on Tuesday. It is not clear why this share was arrested, the analyst of BCS Igor Goncharov is surprised. After all, on the night of December 11 to December 12, the sale of 6.3% of the company's shares on the Moscow Stock Exchange ended: the securities were sold by Sistema and the Russian-Chinese Investment Fund (RCIF). From this transaction, "System" should receive 3.3 billion rubles. Sistema and the retailer already reported that the share of AFK fell from 52.1 to 47.1%. The representative of Sistema did not answer whether the corporation managed to transfer the papers to investors. The representative of the co-founder of the RCIF - Russian Direct Investment Fund (RFPI) declined to comment. Typically, a retailer pays dividends twice a year. This year, "Detsky Mir" paid the shareholders only 5.7 billion rubles. dividends (for the nine months of 2016 and for the whole of 2016), Sistema received 3.6 billion rubles. According to the data of Detsky Mir according to IFRS, as of June 30, the company's accounts had 545 million rubles. cash and cash equivalents.
Also 71.87% of shares of MTS Bank (15.3 billion rubles - here and further the TASS estimate) were arrested. Since 2008, MTS Bank has not paid dividends. On the correspondent accounts of the Central Bank and banks, MTS Bank as of November 1 had 4 billion rubles, follows from its accounts. Arrested 90.5% stake in the agricultural holding "Steppe" (17.2 billion rubles.). Together, "Steppe" and another agroproject of RZ Agro Corporation control over 350 000 hectares, entering the top 10 largest latifundistov countries in the BEFL rating. The management of Sistema repeatedly announced plans to combine the assets of the agricultural holding Step and RZ Agro and conduct an IPO of the merged company in late 2017 - early 2018. So far, the Steppe did not pay dividends.

Sistema requires 330.4 billion rubles from Rosneft

On the suit of Rosneft, 98.78% of the shares of the leader Leader Invest (7.9 billion rubles) were seized with revenues of 4.6 billion rubles, 16.18% of the shares of Segezha Group (7.5 billion rubles) rubles) - one of the largest timber industry holdings in Russia. In addition, 100% of OOO Sistema Telecom Assets (8.7 billion rubles), 88.78% of the Kronstadt Group (7.1 billion rubles), were arrested. Sistema-invest's assets account for 45.96% of Sistema Hotel Management (1.2 billion rubles) and 27% of the United Bridge-Building Enterprise (0.001 billion rubles).

Not the first time

These are not the first interim measures the Bashkir Arbitration Court applies to Sistema, the first ones were adopted at the end of June on the suit of Rosneft and Bashneft for 170.6 billion rubles. Then, 31.76% of MTS shares, 100% of the Medsi group of companies and 90.47% of the shares of the Bashkir electricity network company were arrested.
The claim for the recovery of dividends from Sistema Rosneft and Bashneft in the amount of 131.6 billion rubles. filed on Thursday. Similar demands were made on Monday by the Ministry of Economic Affairs of Bashkiria, besides, on consideration of the Arbitration Court of Appeal of Chelyabinsk, there is a case of recovery of 170.6 billion rubles from Sistema. loss from the reorganization of Bashneft in 2013-2014. Thus, the total claims from Rosneft, Bashneft and the Ministry of Finance of Bashkiria exceed 433.9 billion rubles.
"Security measures should be related to the subject of the claim (in this case it is collection of dividends), therefore usually courts arrest money and any other property of the defendant within the price of the claim, says BMS Law Firm partner Denis Frolov. "Formally, the court is right, but arbitration courts as a whole are reluctant to satisfy interim measures (no more than 30% of the total mass of cases). If Bashneft and Rosneft are denied a lawsuit, Sistema may claim damages in connection with the seizure of assets, Frolov said.
In the preparation of the article, Anna Eremin  

1508 Postings, 2800 Tage LASKlerGedanken

 
  
    #434
13.12.17 14:23
Sistemia steht besser da als ich dachte.

Weiters hat Sistema Gegenklage angestrebt.

 

1637 Postings, 4397 Tage JAM_JOYCE-10% teilweise heute, was mich noch überrascht.

 
  
    #435
13.12.17 17:59
hatte da schon mit deutlich mehr gerechnet.

also mir fehlen da momentan die worte. da streiten sich 2 schwergewichte auf höchster ebene und keinen von der politik in russia will das interessieren. oder weil gerade im interesse für russland, allerdings wirft das ein ganz schlechtes bild auf den wirtschaftsstandort russland.

Rosneft scheint auch nix einzusehen und teilt nur noch aus. es scheint den ROsneft leuten nicht ganz klar zu sein, was für einen schaden die da anrichten.
in einem artikel, den ich nicht mehr finde, regt sich ein rosneft manager darüber auf, dass sistema mit dem prozess soviel kohl raushaut, obwohl es schon ein deal hätte geben können....blablabla
finde den artikel aber leider nicht mehr.
 

1508 Postings, 2800 Tage LASKlerGedanken

 
  
    #436
13.12.17 21:15
Putin wird eingreifen und Kompromiss erzwingen  

1637 Postings, 4397 Tage JAM_JOYCEdas gericht hatte auch nicht lange gebraucht

 
  
    #437
14.12.17 12:50
für die weitergehende Beschlagnahme:
Auszug:
"AFK Sistema, in particular, indicates that the judge immediately granted the plaintiffs' application for interim measures against the company's property. At the same time, the judge gave an opportunity to representatives of the corporation to get acquainted with the case materials only on December 15, motivating it with a high load of current trials, the complaint says.

However, the increased workload did not prevent the judge from considering the validity of the claim of Rosneft within two hours, as well as issuing to the representatives of the plaintiffs enforcement orders for interim measures, stressed in the AFC.

http://tass.ru/ekonomika/4808877
 

1637 Postings, 4397 Tage JAM_JOYCEhier mal eine annektdote was alles so möglich ist

 
  
    #438
14.12.17 12:53
in russland. es hatte ja die meldung gegeben, dass es einen deal gegeben haben könnte/soll. So wie es ausschaut war das aber nur ein fake. wer davon profitiert hat, von den kursschwankungen, nobody knows.

für den fall insgesamt ist es nicht relevant, aber es zeigt schon was hier abgeht.


An unexpected incident occurred during the meeting of the 18th Arbitration Appeals Court considering the complaint of AFK Sistema to the decision of the Arbitration Court of Bashkiria, which decided to recover from the company 136.3 billion rubles in a suit filed against Sistema by Rosneft, Bashneft "And the Republic of Bashkortostan. Just after the hearing began, Judge Galina Stolyarenko reported that in a bale of petitions handed over to her by AFC representatives, there was a statement that reads about Sistema's readiness to conclude a settlement agreement with the plaintiffs and pay them 106,669,934,819 rubles in exchange for refusing all claims. The amount will be paid in installments in five installments - the last tranche will be held not later than December 31, 2019. Under the document there was a signature: representative of PJSC AFK Sistema by proxy Elena Demina.

This name was familiar to the participants of the meeting - Demina's lawyer defended the interests of the company Vladimir Yevtushenkov during the hearing in the first instance. The representative of Sistema who was present in the hall immediately stated that this petition was false. "We did not forward such a document and the signature (on it) not our representative. We have not submitted such a document, we do not support it, "he immediately reacted. As a result, the court made the following decision: in connection with the protest, the petition will not be considered, but will remain in business. The incident that happened caused confusion among many observers of the process. What does this whole story mean with a document that was drawn up according to all rules, but in the end called a fake document? Someone's a joke? An error in the workflow? Provocation?

It is better to give 106 billion than 136 In theory, Elena Demina herself could give a clear answer to all the questions directly in court. She should have asked if she signed such a paper or not. And if not, then whose signature is under the text. However - that's bad luck - Demina, regularly visited all previous meetings, this time was absent. And this despite the fact that the system engineers came to court in full, even an expanded composition. So what happens? The person who made up the fake knew in advance that Demina would not be? Or, maybe, he provided for her absence? Would she then come out as a deus ex machina or a lawyer for Sistema altogether "jumped off" by changing the sacred ideals of the AFC? We tried to find out in the press service of Sistema what prevented the chief defender from attending an important hearing for the company and where it is today, but it was not possible to get an operative comment - despite the working hours, the phones did not answer. It can be assumed that there were too many people wishing to ask a similar question. Or maybe it was just a blunder - someone mistakenly handed the application to the court? Of course, everything happens, but you need to know the lawyers of Sistema - Vladimir Yevtushenkov has a whole staff of lawyers who do not receive ordinary salaries. Knowing how important this process is to him personally, every action is surely checked three times. Therefore, it is difficult to assume that the sensational statement got to the court itself.
However, it can not be said that his appearance was so unexpected. Last weeks in the legal circles close to the "System", there were rumors - supposedly Vladimir Yevtushenkov is preparing to offer the plaintiffs to go to the world. Say, rapidly losing assets and money, the oligarch realized that he could not bypass the law - to compensate for the losses incurred by Bashneft at the time when it owned Sistema, still have to. The court of first instance has already decided to pay 136 billion rubles - if the appeal is lost, it will be a decisive blow. Because it's easier to propose to go to the world and pay 106 billion, then thirty will remain "for life". The shopkeeper's approach? What can you do - in a critical situation, everyone manifests as in the palm of your hand. However, the reputation must be protected, therefore, perhaps, the statement was hurriedly called a fake. However, the bait is abandoned. And do not be surprised if this document still emerges. Such an original bookmark ... Just in case. Very profitable provocation However, there is one more version. The fact is that such a document appeared in the Sistema case for the second time. The first case occurred on June 20, when the Arbitration Court of Bashkiria reported on the receipt of a petition from Rosneft and Bashneft for a complete waiver of the claim against AFK Sistema. Rosneft immediately stated that the document and the signatures of the vice-president of the legal company Natalia Mincheva and Bashneft president Andrei Shishkin, standing under the petition, were forged - the company is determined to seek compensation from Evtushenkov for the damage. As for Sistema, its representative then declined to comment. And later it became known - on a wave of sensational news quotations of shares of "System", traded on the Moscow stock exchange, soared by 17.6%. Then they, naturally, fell, but even the exposed fake allowed Vladimir Yevtushenkov to earn. For him it was very helpful - it was reported that, against the backdrop of the trial, the oligarch lost over $ 8 billion. With such losses, any opportunity to increase the melting state seems to be salvation.
It seems that a similar story is observed now. The review of trading in Sistema's shares on November 13 shows that after the news of the offer to conclude an amicable agreement became known, the value of the company's securities began to rise sharply. At the same time, significant deals were made at the maximum of the price. Thus, the forged document brought someone good money. Of course, one can only guess who could organize such a large-scale intrigue with deliberate delusion of the court. But it is obvious who was the winner - the value of Sistema's shares eventually increased and even after exposing the fake the rate remained at a higher level than the day before. Provocation was very profitable.



 

1637 Postings, 4397 Tage JAM_JOYCEdem hier kann ich nur zustimmen...

 
  
    #439
14.12.17 13:16
Sistema" highly values ​​its reputation in the international investment community and regrets that the participants in the proposal can not carry out this transaction. "  "Most of the participants in the proposal are the leading international institutional investors.Thus, the requirements and actions of Rosneft and Bashneft ANC have created obvious obstacles to new foreign investment in the Russian economy.In addition to deliberately destroying the value of Sistema and its subsidiaries, irresponsible actions of Rosneft and Bashneft ANC have now affected other international and Russian organizations, "Sistema said.

"This is an illustrative example of how the investment climate in the country is deteriorating as a result of the irresponsible actions of the plaintiffs." In just a few hours, Rosneft managed to reverse the already concluded deal, which had been working for several weeks. "We also believe that Russia has also lost a large number of potential investors, which scared off the actions of the plaintiffs, "Sergei Kopytov, a representative of Sistema, said.
http://www.interfax.ru/business/591703  

1637 Postings, 4397 Tage JAM_JOYCEich glaube das unter available assets ist noch da,

 
  
    #440
14.12.17 13:21
also nicht eingefroren. korrigiert mich, wenn es nicht stimmt.

The Russian company Rosneft stated that it does not plan to acquire the assets of AFK Sistema within the framework of the legal process, after the court blocked a number of the System's assets at the request of the oil giant.

The Arbitration Court of Bashkortostan on Tuesday froze the assets of the System for $ 1.7 billion in addition to the already blocked $ 3 billion.

The court decision will not allow the System to get rid of assets and profit from blocked shares.

In 2016, the consolidated revenue of the System amounted to 698 billion rubles ($ 12 billion), the largest part was on MTS (435.7 billion rubles), the Children's World (79.5 billion rubles), concern RTI (44.6 billion rubles) and Segezha ( 43 billion rubles).

Below are listed the assets of the System, which were "frozen" and those assets that the company still can sell.


FROZEN ASSETS

* 52.09 percent of shares in the retailer of children's products and toys Children's World (full share)

* 90.5 percent of shares in the agricultural holding "Steppe" (full share)
* 71.7 percent stake in MTS Bank (total stake)
* 100 percent of Sistema Telecom shares
* 98.8 percent of the shares of the developer "Leader Invest"
* 16.18 pulp and paper production Segezha
* 88.8 percent of the shares of the high-tech group "Kronstadt Group"
* 45.96 percent of Sistema Hotel Management
* 27 percent of shares in "United Bridge Construction Enterprise" (full share)
* 31.76 percent in the largest Russian mobile operator MTS
* 100 percent of shares in the network of MEDSI clinics
* 90.47 percent of the shares of Bashkir Electric Grid Company, BESK
AVAILABLE ASSETS *
* 18.2 percent stake in MTS
* 83.8 percent of Segezha shares
* 11.2 percent stake in the "Group of Kronstadt"
* 71.7 percent of shares in RTI, which includes assets of Concern RTI Systems, PJSC Mikron,
* 74 percent stake in the pharmaceutical company Binnopharm
* 10.8 percent stake in online retailer Ozon
* 100 percent of the shares of "Business-Real Estate"
* 63.3 percent of the clothing retailer Concept Group
* Hotel business Intourist
* Management company in the hotel business Cosmos Group
* Indian operator Sistema Shyam TeleServices Ltd.
* Sistema Venture Capital, a corporate venture fund of AFK Sistema, which has a stake in VisionLabs machine learning company, high-tech company Segmento, game developer Luden.io and YouDo.com service

* Sistema Capital Partners, established to invest the capital of Russian institutions in developed markets in Europe and the US

* 100 percent of the Sistema Asia Fund - a $ 50 million venture fund established in Singapore and investing in high-tech companies in India and South-East Asia

* 50 percent of Sistema Rusnano Capital, created by AFK Sistema and Rosnano state corporation, with the prospect of growth to $ 100 million

* Source: Internet site of the System, calculations by Reuters

($ 1 = 58,8642 rubles)

Original message in English is available by code (Maria Kiseleva, translated by Maria Zhuk)
MOSCOW, Dec 13 (Reuters)
 

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    #441
14.12.17 16:50
Muss leider eingestehen, das ich nicht mehr genau verstehe was Eingefroren wurde.

Mich ärgert die absurde hohe Dividenden Zahlung.

Meine Hoffnung - das Sistema für die Russische Wirtschaft zu wichtig ist.
Sehe sie wie siemens oder GE.

Darum bin ich sicher das ein Kompromiss kommt.
Darauf arbeitet Sistema hin - darum auch die Gegenklage.
Das schnelle Geld wird Rosneff nicht bekommen - darum vielleicht doch lieber weniger & gleich.
Die Sanktions verlängerung spielt uns in die Karten.  

1637 Postings, 4397 Tage JAM_JOYCEzumindest gibt sich der Sistema Eigner kämpferisch

 
  
    #442
15.12.17 11:04
Habe damals gar nicht mitbekommen, dass Rosneft schon mal versucht hat solch eine Klage anzustrengen, dies aber zuerst abgelehnt wurde. erst danach wechselte man zu dem Gericht in Baskhira. Man könnte das auch als OligarchenBäsh beschreiben. Und Sistema gibt nicht klein bei.

@LASKler: In den letzten Absätzen steht es wie du gesagt hast. Wenn die Politik nicht einspringt, dann wird Rosneft in BASKHIRA den Prozess wohl gewinnen und AFK Chancen in Moskau haben. Was für eine krasse Sache. Wie du meinst, irgendwie muss Putin da wohl ran. Damit hätte ich nicht gerechnet.
....

The main aggrieved party in this war, although it is not obvious at first glance, is the judicial system. Both sides make full use of their considerable financial and administrative resources. Sechin remains Sechin in any conflict, but Evtushenkov is still not a "gladiator with a cardboard sword," as Alexei Ulyukayev described himself in the last word. Evtushenkov is an experienced, hardy fighter, especially if the battle takes place in the arena of the Moscow Arbitration Court. Let me remind you that the ACU did not accept Rosneft's first lawsuit against the AFC, from which the conflict began, and the proceedings moved to Bashkiria, at the place of registration of Bashneft, which is simultaneously a co-signer and a kind of physical evidence. Bashneft in its native city in his native republic can not lose, whoever there was its owner.

Actually, the first stage of the trial was interesting only for the final amount that AFC charged for the incorrect management of the asset belonging to Yevtushenkov's structures on the basis of ownership rights, from the point of view of the new owner. The amount was slightly more than 136 billion rubles, and the parties evaluated it in different ways. "Rosneft" - as a final account, AFC - as a starting point for trading on a decline. Bidding would have to lead to an amicable settlement, and President Vladimir Putin spoke publicly about the world as the best scenario for two respected people to leave the clinch. Moreover, the settlement agreement annihilates earlier decisions, and these decisions, it must be said, create in Russia a fundamentally new order in which the thought of a crime can be expressed in the possession of certain assets.

In this sense, the decision of the Arbitration Court of Bashkortostan, which absorbed the suit of Rosneft and, it seems, the comments of its official representatives, is, of course, a document of the era.

Logic is this: AFC could not help but know that it owns the asset in bad faith and, as a result, did not last long, and therefore did not have the right to dispose of it on the rights of the owner, for example, to conduct corporate reorganization. Or pay dividends. This is the point from the second claim, again, Rosneft to the Arbitration Court of Bashkortostan. Almost all of AFK's liquid assets were arrested in support of this claim.

Once again, for you to understand the scale of the problem - not for Yevtushenkov, but for the country sooner - the Arbitration Court of Bashkiria on a commercial dispute can arrest shares of dozens of companies, including market leaders, across Russia.

At the same time, Rosneft does not hide that the main purpose of filing a second claim is to force the AFC to pay the entire amount on the first. In the AFC consider this an abuse of law. And on the basis of this filed a lawsuit in the Moscow Arbitration Court, demanding already with Rosneft and Bashneft 330 billion rubles.

You can, of course, say that this is a "reverse". But for the system of arbitration justice it is no less a challenge than the Bashkir suits of Rosneft. Because to consider recourse to court as an abuse of law is also to open a Pandora's box. Yes, and the calculation of the amount of the claim, based on the fall of the company's capitalization on the Russian stock market, is rather a rhetorical device. Under the same logic, a politician could file a claim for damages inflicted on his business

The main risk of the situation is that if the top political leadership of the country does not interfere in the situation, then the scenario is likely that Rosneft will win in Bashkortostan, and AFK in Moscow.

Then we will have a whole series of resonant, precedent and at the same time destroying the very foundations of justice decisions.

But the interference of the highest political force, frankly speaking, will not greatly help the triumph of independent justice in our country.

Apparently, at the beginning of the fourth term, Vladimir Putin will have to do the same as at the beginning of the first, by equidistance and the establishment of elementary rules of the game.

https://www.novayagazeta.ru/articles/2017/12/14/74910-hudaya-voyna  

1637 Postings, 4397 Tage JAM_JOYCEauf welcher Seite Putin steht

 
  
    #443
15.12.17 11:38
ist aber auch klar oder?

https://www.n-tv.de/politik/...uption-verurteilt-article20186637.html

Beobachter in Moskau werten das spektakuläre Vorgehen der Justiz gegen einen Minister eher als Zeichen eines Machtkampfs in der russischen Elite. Der Hauptbelastungszeuge, Rosneft-Chef Igor Setschin, hat vier Vorladungen vor Gericht ignoriert. Präsident Wladimir Putin stellte sich am Donnerstag hinter seinen langjährigen Weggefährten, der als einer der mächtigsten Männer Russlands gilt. Es verstoße nicht gegen das Gesetz, nicht als Zeuge auszusagen, sagte der Staatschef bei seiner Pressekonferenz.
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Präsentpaket wird zum Verhängnis
Setschin und der Inlandsgeheimdienst FSB hatten Uljukajew  im November 2016 eine Falle gestellt, der FSB sprach damals von einem "Ermittlungsexperiment". Der Minister wurde in die Rosneft-Zentrale gebeten, in der er - wie abgehörte Telefonate belegen - nur widerwillig erschien. Setschin überreichte ihm einen Präsentkorb mit Wurst und eine schwere Tasche, in der Uljukajew nach eigener Aussage Weinflaschen vermutete.

Tatsächlich enthielt die Tasche zwei Millionen Dollar Bargeld, und er wurde festgenommen. Kritische russische Medien haben mehrfach darauf hingewiesen, dass die mutmaßliche Erpressung sich nach dem umstrittenen Verkauf der Ölfirma Baschneft an Rosneft abgespielt habe. Der Wirtschaftsliberale Uljukajew habe das Geschäft unter staatlichen Konzernen abgelehnt, Putin mit seinem Machtwort aber anders entschieden. Außerdem sei die geforderte Bestechungssumme für einen russischen Minister zu gering.  

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    #444
15.12.17 12:10
Putin steht klar zu Rosnef ABER eine Zerschlagung Sistema würde Russische Wirtschaft schwer treffen WEIL Sistema schon mehr mals bewiesen haben das sie Unternehmen zur Wirtschaftlichkeit führen.

Putin braucht ein Wirtschaftlich stabiles Russland - besonders nächstes Jahr = Wahljahr.

Bleibt spannend  

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    #445
15.12.17 17:27

1637 Postings, 4397 Tage JAM_JOYCEinteressant, das Kudrin das Urteil

 
  
    #446
18.12.17 11:21
als schrecklich bezeichnet. kudrin selbst ist ja auch ein liberaler, individuelle Freiheiten und Marktwirtschaft.. zuletzt hatte er in russland die mehrausgaben in rüstung kritisiert.

Galt lange als putins Wirtschaftsberater. Versteht sicherlich, welche auswirkungen, das urteil auf die investitionsfreundlichkeit das urteil in russland haben wird.  

1637 Postings, 4397 Tage JAM_JOYCEhier mal etwas dazu, wie sistema die strafzahlung

 
  
    #447
18.12.17 12:58
bedienen könnte. Also wenn das urteil bestätigt werden würde. das andere verfahren hat ja noch nicht begonnen.

136.3 billion rubles. —- a large but not critical amount for Sistema, believes analyst Uralsib Capital Konstantin Belov. The company has open credit lines, and it can increase debt and sell off some of its assets to pay off Rosneft, he argues. If the court decision comes into force, the seized assets will be unfrozen, and Sistema will be able to attract loans secured by these shares, says Sergei Libin, an analyst with Raiffeisenbank. «"Sistema" will be able to pay the first claim, in this case, net debt will grow by about 140 billion rubles., About 20 billion rubles. The annual interest rate will go down, the analyst said. This is a reasonable burden for Sistema if it cuts investments to subsidiaries to a minimum, he believes.  And with the attraction of money to pay for both claims - about 260 billion rubles - Sistema may already have difficulties, Libin says. And even if Sistema takes this amount, the entire free cash flow of the company will have to be spent on interest on loans. Therefore, in case of a positive decision on the second lawsuit filed by Rosneft, Sistema will most likely have to sell some of the assets, the analyst concludes.

https://www.rbc.ru/business/18/12/2017/5a216b759a79477bf920d912  

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    #448
18.12.17 14:23
Was ein abverkauf von sistema für Russland heißen würde ist auch klar ...  

1637 Postings, 4397 Tage JAM_JOYCEja aber das verfahren zeigt auch, dass russland

 
  
    #449
18.12.17 14:58
sistema eben nicht zwangsweise retten muss..  

1637 Postings, 4397 Tage JAM_JOYCEneues

 
  
    #450
1
18.12.17 15:03

AFK Sistema will pay 136.27 billion rubles of Rosneft and Bashneft by way of a court decision as compensation, but at the same time it will appeal against it.  This is stated in the company's message.
Sistema announced its readiness to pay 136 billion rubles to Rosneft

"The corporation plans to execute the court decision in accordance with the procedure established by law and at the same time will appeal the decision of the appellate court by filing a cassation appeal to the Arbitration Court of the Urals region in the period provided by law," the Sistema said.

The company added that they serve and plan to continue to service credit and financial obligations in a timely and full amount.
https://tvrain.ru/news/afk_sistema-453148/
 

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