Der Rumsfeld, der in uns allen steckt.


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16834 Postings, 8622 Tage chrismitzDE spinnst du jetzt völlig? o. T.

 
  
    #26
06.02.03 12:43

34698 Postings, 8705 Tage DarkKnight@prwada, @all

 
  
    #27
1
06.02.03 13:07
@prawda: bin Deutscher und arbeitslos, sozusagen: Mainstream.

all: hahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahhaaha


vega: könnte seinm, daß ich das gemeint habe, aber jetzt ist Nach-Mittag, somit bin ich nüchtern und erkenne mein eigenes Posting nicht mehr.

PS: was sollen die grünen da oben, ich bin auch schwarz abonniert, klar? Ansonsten: Schnauze.  

79561 Postings, 9013 Tage KickyRumsfeld und seine Besuche im Irak 1983/84

 
  
    #28
06.02.03 13:09
Five years before Saddam Hussein’s now infamous 1988 gassing of the Kurds a key meeting took place in Baghdad that would play a significant role in forging close ties between Saddam Hussein and Washington. It happened at a time when Saddam was first alleged to have used chemical weapons. The meeting in late December 1983 paved the way for an official restoration of relations between Iraq and the US, which had been severed since the 1967 Arab-Israeli war.

With the Iran-Iraq war escalating, President Ronald Reagan dispatched his Middle East envoy, a former secretary of defense, to Baghdad with a hand-written letter to Iraqi President Saddam Hussein and a message that Washington was willing at any moment to resume diplomatic relations.

That envoy was Donald Rumsfeld.

Rumsfeld’s December 19-20, 1983 visit to Baghdad made him the highest-ranking US official to visit Iraq in 6 years. He met Saddam and the two discussed “topics of mutual interest,” according to the Iraqi Foreign Ministry. “[Saddam] made it clear that Iraq was not interested in making mischief in the world,” Rumsfeld later told The New York Times. “It struck us as useful to have a relationship, given that we were interested in solving the Mideast problems.”

Just 12 days after the meeting, on January 1, 1984, The Washington Post reported that the United States “in a shift in policy, has informed friendly Persian Gulf nations that the defeat of Iraq in the 3-year-old war with Iran would be ‘contrary to U.S. interests’ and has made several moves to prevent that result.”

In March of 1984, with the Iran-Iraq war growing more brutal by the day, Rumsfeld was back in Baghdad for meetings with then-Iraqi Foreign Minister Tariq Aziz. On the day of his visit, March 24th, UPI reported from the United Nations: “Mustard gas laced with a nerve agent has been used on Iranian soldiers in the 43-month Persian Gulf War between Iran and Iraq, a team of U.N. experts has concluded... Meanwhile, in the Iraqi capital of Baghdad, U.S. presidential envoy Donald Rumsfeld held talks with Foreign Minister Tarek Aziz (sic) on the Gulf war before leaving for an unspecified destination.”

The day before, the Iranian news agency alleged that Iraq launched another chemical weapons assault on the southern battlefront, injuring 600 Iranian soldiers. “Chemical weapons in the form of aerial bombs have been used in the areas inspected in Iran by the specialists,” the U.N. report said. “The types of chemical agents used were bis-(2-chlorethyl)-sulfide, also known as mustard gas, and ethyl N, N-dimethylphosphoroamidocyanidate, a nerve agent known as Tabun.”

Prior to the release of the UN report, the US State Department on March 5th had issued a statement saying “available evidence indicates that Iraq has used lethal chemical weapons.”

Commenting on the UN report, US Ambassador Jeane J. Kirkpatrick was quoted by The New York Times as saying, “We think that the use of chemical weapons is a very serious matter. We've made that clear in general and particular.”

Compared with the rhetoric emanating from the current administration, based on speculations about what Saddam might have, Kirkpatrick’s reaction was hardly a call to action.

Most glaring is that Donald Rumsfeld was in Iraq as the 1984 UN report was issued and said nothing about the allegations of chemical weapons use, despite State Department “evidence.” On the contrary, The New York Times reported from Baghdad on March 29, 1984, “American diplomats pronounce themselves satisfied with relations between Iraq and the United States and suggest that normal diplomatic ties have been restored in all but name.”

A month and a half later, in May 1984, Donald Rumsfeld resigned. In November of that year, full diplomatic relations between Iraq and the US were fully restored. Two years later, in an article about Rumsfeld’s aspirations to run for the 1988 Republican Presidential nomination, the Chicago Tribune Magazine listed among Rumsfeld’s achievements helping to “reopen U.S. relations with Iraq.” The Tribune failed to mention that this help came at a time when, according to the US State Department, Iraq was actively using chemical weapons.

Throughout the period that Rumsfeld was Reagan’s Middle East envoy, Iraq was frantically purchasing hardware from American firms, empowered by the White House to sell. The buying frenzy began immediately after Iraq was removed from the list of alleged sponsors of terrorism in 1982. According to a February 13, 1991 Los Angeles Times article:

“First on Hussein's shopping list was helicopters -- he bought 60 Hughes helicopters and trainers with little notice. However, a second order of 10 twin-engine Bell "Huey" helicopters, like those used to carry combat troops in Vietnam, prompted congressional opposition in August, 1983... Nonetheless, the sale was approved.”

In 1984, according to The LA Times, the State Department—in the name of “increased American penetration of the extremely competitive civilian aircraft market”—pushed through the sale of 45 Bell 214ST helicopters to Iraq. The helicopters, worth some $200 million, were originally designed for military purposes. The New York Times later reported that Saddam “transferred many, if not all [of these helicopters] to his military.”

In 1988, Saddam’s forces attacked Kurdish civilians with poisonous gas from Iraqi helicopters and planes. U.S. intelligence sources told The LA Times in 1991, they “believe that the American-built helicopters were among those dropping the deadly bombs.”

In response to the gassing, sweeping sanctions were unanimously passed by the US Senate that would have denied Iraq access to most US technology. The measure was killed by the White House.

Senior officials later told reporters they did not press for punishment of Iraq at the time because they wanted to shore up Iraq's ability to pursue the war with Iran. Extensive research uncovered no public statements by Donald Rumsfeld publicly expressing even remote concern about Iraq’s use or possession of chemical weapons until the week Iraq invaded Kuwait in August 1990, when he appeared on an ABC news special.

Eight years later, Donald Rumsfeld signed on to an “open letter” to President Clinton, calling on him to eliminate “the threat posed by Saddam.” It urged Clinton to “provide the leadership necessary to save ourselves and the world from the scourge of Saddam and the weapons of mass destruction that he refuses to relinquish.”

In 1984, Donald Rumsfeld was in a position to draw the world’s attention to Saddam’s chemical threat. He was in Baghdad as the UN concluded that chemical weapons had been used against Iran. He was armed with a fresh communication from the State Department that it had “available evidence” Iraq was using chemical weapons. But Rumsfeld said nothing.

Washington now speaks of Saddam’s threat and the consequences of a failure to act. Despite the fact that the administration has failed to provide even a shred of concrete proof that Iraq has links to Al Qaeda or has resumed production of chemical or biological agents, Rumsfeld insists that “the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.”

But there is evidence of the absence of Donald Rumsfeld’s voice at the very moment when Iraq’s alleged threat to international security first emerged. And in this case, the evidence of absence is indeed evidence.

Jeremy Scahill is an independent journalist.
 

8215 Postings, 8459 Tage Sahne@DarkKnight

 
  
    #29
06.02.03 13:11
Du weisst halt wie man Akzente setzt :-)  

25551 Postings, 8446 Tage DepothalbiererRühe können sie gleich als erstes einziehen.

 
  
    #30
06.02.03 13:45
Hat jemand gesehen, wie der gestern bei der Maischberger rumgeeiert hat?
War echt lustig, wie die Pfeife ständig auf Krampf vermeiden wollte, das Wort Krieg in den Mund zu nehmen.
 

3067 Postings, 7868 Tage clipDarkknight, an deiner stelle würd ich aufhören

 
  
    #31
06.02.03 14:01
am trockenfleich zu lutschen. ich empfehl dir mal wieder ne geile blondine zu vernaschen. das baut den frust ab! von mir aus ....nimm 2

 

9123 Postings, 8674 Tage Reilarpz. was geiferst du hier so unterniveaumäßig rum?

 
  
    #32
06.02.03 14:13
Wisch Dir mal den Sabber vom Latz. Etwas ruhiger und sachlicher wäre etwas mehr. Wir erwarten doch auch, daß die Amis uns noch in ihr Land lassen, obwohl von unseren Regierungsmitgliedern auch schon mal Hitler-Vergleiche bemüht wurden.
Aufgescheuchtes Kleinbürgervolk hier.
(Na, klinge ich jetzt wie prawda - häh?)

R.  

8215 Postings, 8459 Tage Sahneein klitzekleinwenig, Reila ;-) o. T.

 
  
    #33
06.02.03 14:17

6049 Postings, 8571 Tage jack303mein Kommentar

 
  
    #34
06.02.03 14:22

6049 Postings, 8571 Tage jack303gackernde Hühner waren leider nicht zu finden ;-)

 
  
    #35
06.02.03 14:22
uf wiedrluagn jack

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9123 Postings, 8674 Tage ReilaJack, meintes Du das?

 
  
    #36
06.02.03 14:38

8309 Postings, 8596 Tage maxperformance@rpz

 
  
    #37
06.02.03 14:42
Ein Klassiker von Dir noch besser als DN:

"Nehmt zur Kenntnis, dass es in diesem Lande noch Freiheit gibt, die Freiheit zu denken und zu reden und auch zu kritisieren ! Die Moderatoren, die schwarze Sterne verteilt haben, gehören gesperrt."

Die Freiheit zu reden zu denken und zu kritisieren gibt es wohl
nur im Ruhrottzockerland. Hab ich zur Kenntnis genommen.

und stresst euch nicht so rein
gruß maxp  

6049 Postings, 8571 Tage jack303@reila, yuppie

 
  
    #38
06.02.03 15:02
anscheinend bin ich mittlerweile zu blöd für die Textvorlage, bekomme es nicht mehr hin. Was hast Du eingegeben ?

gruss jack  

6049 Postings, 8571 Tage jack303@reila, yuppie

 
  
    #39
06.02.03 15:04
anscheinend bin ich mittlerweile zu blöd für die Textvorlage, bekomme es nicht mehr hin. Was hast Du eingegeben ?

gruss jack

@maxp.

Hab die 2. Sätze jetzt 3 mal gelesen und muss feststellen "Multipler Charakter unser rpz ;-)  

9123 Postings, 8674 Tage Reilajack, geht ganz einfach:

 
  
    #40
06.02.03 15:11
Für Laien auf Bild klicken mit rechter Maustaste, dann auf Kopieren.
Vor Einfügen auf den ARIVA-"Erweiterten HTML-Editor benutzen"-Link klicken.

R.  

9123 Postings, 8674 Tage ReilaZ.B. eine Seite für Kinder einfügen:

 
  
    #41
06.02.03 15:17
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6049 Postings, 8571 Tage jack303test

 
  
    #43
06.02.03 15:26

34698 Postings, 8705 Tage DarkKnightWas macht Ihr aus meinem Thread?

 
  
    #44
06.02.03 15:29
Ihr schmutzigen Berbergesichter.  

9123 Postings, 8674 Tage ReilaKannst ihn ja recyceln

 
  
    #45
06.02.03 16:08
und was Schönes draus machen, z.B. Knallfrösche.

R.  

6836 Postings, 8846 Tage EgozentrikerHahaha

 
  
    #46
06.02.03 16:41
Klasse !!!
Kacke, dass ich wegen der scheiss Arbeit immer die besten Threads verpasse.

Ach so, bevor ich's vergesse: tschüss Pusherman. Nimm am besten noch'n paar Deiner Kumpels mit.

PS: liebe Mods - geht doch mal in Euch und fragt Euch selbst mal, warum ihr dem Eingangsposting bis jetzt 4 schwarze verpasst habt. Und danach informiert mich bitte über das Ergebnis Eures Brainstormings.
Irgendwie fehlt mir da die Nachvollziehbarkeit.  

16074 Postings, 8257 Tage NassieDas Posting hat auch 5 Grüne erhalten

 
  
    #47
06.02.03 16:50
damit zeigt sich, dass nicht alle mods ein Problem mit überspitzt dargestellter
Wahrheit haben.  

8584 Postings, 8481 Tage RheumaxFür den letzten Satz hätte ich auch Schwarz

 
  
    #48
06.02.03 17:03
gegeben.
Stell Dir vor, dass sich Dein  Großvater, dieser Depp, im Krieg selbst entsorgt hat?
Ist das überspitzte Wahrheit?  

34698 Postings, 8705 Tage DarkKnightAlso, meine Großeltern haben sich nicht selbst

 
  
    #49
06.02.03 17:10
entsorgt. Die waren alle 4 explizite Antifaschisten. Mit der Folge von Haft während des Kriegs und Kriegsgefangenschaft/konsequenter Arbeitslosigkeit danach (denn die Nazi-Drecksäcke hatten hinterher immer noch diesselben Positionen, nur unter einem neuen Mäntelchen).

Soviel zu keineswegs überspitzter Wahrheit, oder, wie es eine alte Bauernregel sagt: Scheiße schwimmt immer oben und immer mit dem Strom.  

9123 Postings, 8674 Tage ReilaRheumax,

 
  
    #50
06.02.03 17:10
Satire tut immer weh.
Im übrigen ist es wirklich überspitzte Wahrheit. Mein Vater war u.a. beim sogenannten Rußlandfeldzug dabei. Als er Jahre später in der Gegend war, traf er eine Frau, die fast alle Angehörigen verloren hatte. Jemand aus der deutschen Reisegruppe sagte dann die üblichen Worte: "Aber wir mußten doch ...", worauf die Frau verbittert antwortete "Was mußten Sie? Nichts mußten Sie!" Die Frau hatte wohl Recht.

R.  

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